Fugett,

 

Queen I appreciate your dedication in finding scriptures to attempt to answer my question.  I can only say to you that I would emplore you to study your own Afrikan spiritual system. But let me not digress and maybe we can discuss the scriptures you have provided from a different standpoint.

 

"Eph 3:21 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing."  Ok lets first look at the word subject as the church is related to Christ.  The word subject in this context is defined as  make subservient; force to submit or subdue 2.being under the power or sovereignty of another or others; "subject peoples"  Ok so now we better understand subject as it relates to Chrsit and the Church.  The the scriptures goes on to tell ALL WIVES to do the exact same thing.  This is more Male dominance cloacked in fancy wording.  My sister your anscestors never advocated subbmiting to anything.  When you go within and allow that which is within to express itself what is there to submitt to?

 

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Unfortunately this does not provide us with any science or esoteric wisdom for us.

 

Jms 1:4 But let patience have [her] perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. Its interesting that you have inserted the word her, where in the oldest bibles this translation is not true at all.  This scripture has nothing to do with the feminine energy or principle.  Patience does not correlate to feminine energy.

 

Jms 5:18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth [her] fruit. I agree you can correlate earth to women, no doubt but what does this passage have to do with the femine energy in regards to how its used in this context?  Because.  How did his prayer provide his needs?  What is the science of his prayer that provided this. What was the femine role in his prayer besides the manifestation of earthly fruit?  U see when we begin to go deeper you there needs to be complimentary aspects of male and female principles envolved in everything.

 

How is the femine energy envolved in the bible? You have not been able shown this.  How does it compliment the male energy to create? What is the role of the femine energy? What are the femine organs in the human body? How do they relate to the male organs?  What was the role of women in our ancient society's vs. the role of women today? These are only a few questions that need to be answered to even begin to elavate this conversation to the level of the I am trying to paint the picture for you about. 

 

Again I appreciate your response, however it does not begin to delve where our anscestors understood thousands of years before a Europeon wrote what you just provided.

 

1Love4life!!!

alright, Bro. since the scriptures do not enlighten you, let's take it like this, from our own history, which is misnomer as African history, the true name of our ancestors were (Edenites). Africa is a Eurocentric name given to that area, when it was supposely discoverd, the land of the blacks.

The word "submit" in it's root form means the act of going down from an upright position, now I am comfortable with being the weaker vessel as compared with man, that is because I am in the knowledge of the fact that brawn does not equate with superiority.

 

but as a woman with a husband, it is for me to duck  (go down from an upright position,) all the advances and attempts that the enemy and this world  use to strike me down, and allow the stronger vessel to deal with them.

 

This is what my Edenite bros. did for their women, that were placed at high esteem in their hearts, they protected them. As soldiers protect their queens. Because they understood that in woman was life and the procreation of them and their children and their children's children. 

 

Many women are led astray by the lack of knowledge of what true submission is, not to be a subordianate, but allowing her covering to protect her.

 

The bible does not have to envolve the male and feminine of anything, because it is for both. When God created Adam, HE created them male/female, it was not until after the fall that Adam called his wife Eve, the mother of all living. Speaking faith that a fallen world through her would live.

 

 

 

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Our Kemetic history that you give is correct, but they were not the only people on earth, the Original Hebrews were Edenites as well

 

They did not share the same beliefs as the Kemites, and many of the Kemites were converted as the Candaces were to become believers in YahWeh and not the Sun god(Ra)

 

 

The Original Hebrews were a race of  Ethiopian origin, . Abraham, ancestor of the Hebrews, was from Chaldea; the ancient Chaldeans were Black

On instructions from Yahweh, Abraham left his people, in obeying, HE became the Father of many nations(people) that is what I mean when I say that what we believe is not far apart. But we have taken different paths in the journey. I do not dismiss the Kemites, their intelligence, their marks of greatness, I just do not believe in the theology they give to us. I have read the researches of Dr. Kwame Nantambu a professor at Kent State. Good research of the Kemites and their beliefs, but again the Kemites were not the only people to be research and I do not share their spiritual beliefs.

 

The word Semite is from semi which means half. Half what? Half BLACK!

Semite refers to the descendants of Shem, one of Noah's sons. The word originates from the Latin prefix semi which means half. "half Black and half white... therefore Black (since Black is genetically dominant)" points out  that the "Semitic" arises in the 4th millennia B.C. from crossbreeding between Black inhabitants of the holy land and white northern invaders.

 

While many Semites (such as Jews & gypsies) have mixed so much with whites that they've forgotten or deny their African/Edenic roots, racism (white supremacy) will never let them forget this no matter how light-skinned they become, as proved by Hitler, who mandated their destruction because they were classified by whites as "non-white" peple originating in Africa. The very word gypsy means "out of Egypt."

Both of these peoples belief  are present in our world today, nothing esoteric about either one of them, but because of lack of knowledge, one is being used by the enemy, to place a pride in people that had been ripped of it, giving an esteem through a venue that will not save their souls.

 

We see this effort and method use much in the prison systems at our bros/sis through the Muslim and Kemitic and other faiths, because it does build their esteem, because they know the majority of our young black men and women do not realize that Jesus had to have been a man wrapped in black skin.

 

As my quote states you can't bring the truth in a wheel barrel of lies.

 

 

The original Hebrews served the True and Living God, God is NOT a feeling, Evil is NOT a feeling. Ones would be very naive to even attempt to grasp a theology that taught this and would remain in bondage never dying away from their sins.

 

 

I ask you my Bro. do MORE research, don't settle for a feel good.

will be back

 

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

The reason I brought up the Trinity initially was because I wanted you to see that I believe in ONE God, only one! The Kemites believe in more than one, this does not support the fact that their gods could be omnipresent, omniscience, omnipotent, three seperate beings, would have one function.

 

The God I serve is one eternally existant in three persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. HE is omnispresent, omniscience, and omnipotent, in those persons. He is Elohim, Adonai.

 

That is why you speak of Masonary, who pray to three gods, one being Baal, because they have fallen into the Kemitic belief system, and claim it to be a secret order, the secret is only that those who claim to be at the level of seeing the light, understand without a shadow of a doubt that they are in fact involved in the occult.

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

As for as the bible plagerising, I think you have to put in perspective a time line, that includes more than one group of people. There are different meanings for the word pagan and it depends on who is using it. Most modern Pagan sources interpret the word to have meant "rustic," "hick," or "country bumpkin" The implication was that Christians used the term to ridicule country folk who tenaciously held on to what the Christians considered old-fashioned, pagan beliefs. Those in the country were much slower in adopting the new religion of Christianity than were the city folks. They still followed the Greek state religion, Roman state religion, Mithraism, various mystery religions, etc., long after those in urban areas had converted. Some believe that in the early Roman Empire, "paganus" came to mean "civilian" as opposed to "military." Christians often called themselves "miles Christi" (Soldiers of Christ). The non-Christians became "pagani" -- non-soldiers or civilians.

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Matthew 4:1-10

 

Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."

 

Jesus answered,  "It is written:  Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God."

 

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone."

 

Jesus answered him, "It is also written: Do not put the Lord your God to the test."

 

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."

 

Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

Again understand that I do not refute you the history of the Kemites, but you have to consider the history of the ancient Hebrews as well. Truth is truth, and the Kemites had the versions of our beginnings and the Ancient Hebrews had their versions which I choose to believe are factual. I do have an appreciation for the Egyptian/Kemet History for it is too part of my history,and I feel their achievements were magnificent as well as the achievements of the Ancient Hebrews, I do not accept their the (Kemites) theology. It is based in divination. Ifluenced by underworld spirits.

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Fuget,

Although you presented alot of words with intellgent thoughts attached and you meant well, you may need to refine your thoughts.  Firts of all in regards to history all civilization originates out of the NileValley.  We need to get this strait off the back.  Again I am here to present knowledge but it is you that must do the research.  My validation is in Dr. yosef Ben Yosef ben-Jochannan's book "Black Man of the Nile." In this book you will find that he breaks down very thouroghly the origins of the Black man and women.  The groups you discussed, although I could tell you some tings to allow you to overstand the origins of those people, I would prefer you provide dates so that I can paint a picture through your actions. This is a better stimulus.

This is from an excert in another post I responded to, but there is history in my response that ties to your thoughts: “First to answer your question I would prefer to know which time period you are refereeing to (modern vs. ancient kemet) but we will continue to proceede.  But before we get to this let me make a note that our kemetian ancestors had the answers to your questions in there metephrion(stories-mythology) in predynastic kemetic (prior to 3500BCE). Lets assume you are speaking about ancient time period.  So in other words Predynastic Kemet.  At this time however we are not talking about Afrikan Hebrew Israelites which became an outgrowth of predynastic kemet.  The time period we are speaking about is the time period that the Kabala was based on, which is the esoteric wisdom prior to the Old Testament.  We must also keep in mind that there are different cycles of time that connect like a circle(360 degrees). (Elite Europeans have kept this knowledge for themselves).

 

Let’s look at the history of Abraham (father of the Hebrews) where the story of Hebrews begins with.  Abraham and his people lived in area called Err of Shaldea (dynastic).  They were and outgrowth of the Elamites a Kemetic society who migrated from Kemet.  Due to the invasions of foreign people many of the practiced cultures were lost.  So in essence Abraham and his people were culturally immature at this time.  Abraham’s people migrated to kemet in 1675 BCE, during this time they brought nothing of substance to the already civil society of kemet.  Abraham’s people studied Kemetic scriptures for political and social influence on the indigenous people of the area as well as to up there stakes. (*Take note that in Afrika at one time the tech tonic plates were all connected, so over time they separated creating the illusion of different land masses. This shift and climate changed phenol types of the majority of people who were caught in the shift while migrating(light skinned-dark skinn-small noses-etc).

 

 

So in many ways you are extremely right in saying you have found links between Kemet and Yisrael.  Essentially they are one and the same as early as dynastic Kemet.  Yisrael was an outgrowth of Kemet.  You should also note the similarities of Yah-Jah-Ptah-Ra.  You can assume Yah assumes the role of Ptah on a lower level.  Ptah being the hidden path that communicates through Ra-Yah-Jah.  In other words they all are attributes of the unseen Divine Essence.

 

 

Now to begin taking your question a bit deeper.  What is the whole Human experience about?  Well it’s about learning lessons to affirm who we truly are and for the divine essence to seek expression through our physical vessels.  This is what the people of kemet were tapped into before the cycle of time played itself out through invasions, theft of knowledge etc.  Why are we deteriorating from this understanding?  To appreciate what we once were and to move on to the next realm of existence is what being a human is about.  For example do you appreciate things more through your personal experience or TV?  The foundation is to rediscover our godhood which is our Dharma. The experiences we have gone through are our Karma, so it has nothing to do with Yah essentially. The Afrikan goddess and god was going to fall anyway (Gravity-this is another area that plays a role on our learning experiences).  Each cycle of time we get closer and closer to becoming what we used to be.

 

 

I will now provide justification through #5 of the 7 UniverSOUL principles.  *The principle of Rhythm embodies the truth that "everything flows out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise & fall; the pendulum-swing manifest in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates."

 

 

Ashe

Next lets get some tings off the table about how many gods YOUR anscetsors believed in..Because this topic has long been discussed. 

 

To speak of an "almighty GOD" in the context used by the jews, Vhristians, and Moslems is impossible without going back to the roots of the said belief.  In doing so, one has to delve beyound the origin of Judiasm (the hewbrew religion and Peoples) - the parent of the three religions mentioned, Christianity - the child, and Islam - the grandchild.  All eyes have to be centered on the indegiounous African religions of the Nile Valley from whence all three derived, religions which are today called the "Egyptian Religion" and/or "Mysteries."  But, in order to delve inot the depths of the study of traditional African religions of Egypt other lands along the banks of more than 4,100 miles length of the Nile River, one needs a complete set of volumes on this subject alone.  Never the less lets look at a few basic citations of the main Afrikan religion upon which Judiasm, Christianity,and Islam - the so called Western Religions - rest.

 

For example:  The concept of the making of man (creation) by "ONE" - the Sun-God Ra, who was sometimes identified with the God Ausar, was in fact dealing with a monotheistic God even though polytheism seemed to be the basic foundation of the African religions of Sais (later called Egypt by the Hebrwes, greeks, and romans).  Yet one sees, in the BOOK OF THE DEAD - chapter clxxxii, 1.15, Ausar shown as the only God who could make man inherit "everything and eternal life;"  also he alone had the power to : "...cause men and women to be born again...."

 

The same God Ausar was responsible to represent "ONE" - the "SUPREME BEING," as He "...loved life and hated death...;"  this having been shown in the following extract from chapter cliv. of THE BOOK OF THE DEAD:  "...Homage to thee, O my divine father Ausar, thou hast thy being with thy members.  Thou didst not decay, thou didst not turn into worms, thou didst not rot away, thou didst not become corrupt, thou didst not putrefy... I shall not decay, I shall not rot, I shall not putrefy....I shall have my being, I shall live, I shall germinate, I shall wake up in peace.... My body shall be established, and it shall neither fall inot ruin nor be destroyed off this earth.

 

The above prayer was by pharoah Thotmes III (1504-1550BCE) to the God Ausar.  One can see the basic values of death and its treatment from this episode and its corruption in the hebrew which followed many hudreds of years later.

 

In the book FIRST STEPS EGYPTIAN, p. 179, "ONE" is identified through the Gods - Ra and Ausar - as the "SOUL OF RA" in the "...body of God."  But, "ONE's" identity as an absolute fact of the truest manifestation of the "supreme being" - THE "god over all other gods" - the one and only "GOD ALMIGHTY" - is best noted in the following extract from the BOOK OF THE DEAD chapter clxxxi:  "...Homage to thee, O govenor of Amentet, Inefer, the lord of Ta-tchesert, O thou who risest like Ra! Verily I come to see thee and to rejoice as thy beauties.  His disk is thy disk, his rays are thy rays; his crown is thy crown; his majesty is thy majesty......"

 

This is only the start for me and my validation...I can go into the "HEREAFTER" and how that concept orginated in our Ancient spritual culture. And I am prepared to take this conversation into a whole paradigm that will take you deeper into my validation as to 1 God.

 

1luv

 

Fuget,

Not to go back or retract because I want to do your own reserach in this regard. But you mentioned the children of Shem... My sister it is now known that those children of Noah represent land masses.  The story was develped to make the people of color inferrior to other lands.  Hams children represent Ethiopia, Nubia, etc. I will emplore you to research the land masses that represent SHEM.  Again I have done the research and the answers are laid out if you search....

 

And I have done post on this already....

 

I  have also suggested you watch the video that where suggested by Ausar Amen Ra, which you have not done....

 

1Love

 

PS. Its interesting when I began to ask questions at the end of my post before you hit me off with about three post I wanted to see if you would be able to take it to an ESOTERIC level.  You immiadiately switched the converasation over to Exoteric historic nature.  I will not comment on to why I know you did this, I will just let you meditate on the words....

FAM/Fuget

The fact that 85ers are unable to truly understand abstract categories shows up in your misunderstanding of abstract categories and his misunderstanding og the term "God."  To them, the term "God" represents a concrete entity, hence their use of the term as a proper noun.  In the African tradition, the term is an abstract relational category.  Like the terms "govenor," "president," etc., it denotes all that "presides" or has dominion over a sphere of acivity.  The Afrikan scholar, therefor, has no problem in understanding that a Supreme God (prseider) can create and administer the world thorugh a number of agencies to whom have been delegated dominion or presidency or governorship or godship over specific spheres of acivities.  This is no different from the hierarchical administartion of the physiological functions of our bodies, or the government of a nation, business etc. Once we understand the categorical relational abstractness of the term "God," then we are in a position to understan how Man and God are of the same category of being, and that so-called polytheism is in reality a Systheism; that is, a whole (Supreme God) compounded of several intergal parts (gods) acting in concert with each other to fulfill the will of the Whole . But the 85ers faculties of the spirit cannot percieve the connection between things, and fails, thus to see the unity between "the god" with each other, adn with the Supreme God (They are all 1).  As they close their minds at the outset to all teachings that expound the deities, they fail to avail themselves of the assistancwe that such knowledge can bring them.  Imagine a person who believes that all of his problems can be solved by the Supreme leader--the president--of the country.  When 85ers sees the 5%healing and affecting nature through the power of their spirit (3rd spere of the tree of life---Yall aint ready) he then talks ignorantly, but fluently of course, about "miracles," :the supernatural," "spritual gifts," "only Son of God," etc.

 

1love

 

PS. Fuget in repsonse to Masons, they Stole our concepts from Kemet.  Your information, which I believe is a result of an internet search is invalid. If you like I can provide you with a more substantial approach, because you cannot bring a knife to a gun fight. U need to be able to speak if you have this conversation with someone in person, and myself or my FAM would disengage immiadiatly because your knowledge shows you have not done adequate research in this regard...

Genesis 2

 

By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

 

This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. 

 

Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

 

A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin and onyx are also there.) The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

 

The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

 

Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

 

The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, for she was taken out of man." For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

 

PROVERBS 30:5-6

 

EVERY WORD OF GOD IS FLAWLESS.  DO NOT ADD TO HIS WORDS, OR HE WILL REBUKE YOU AND PROVE YOU A LIER.

Fuget/FAM,

 

Here are the Videos that you NEED to watch to further enlighten you....

 

http://www.youtube.com/v/37Xc3wSDcSE

 

 

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/v/YvDGvVWMiZs&feature=related

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/v/k93pqafrNPA&feature=related

Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/v/uCRSHVmhVcI&feature=related

Part 4

http://www.youtube.com/v/dQq7YKJkaqQ&feature=related

Don't get mad just get even.

What are your thoughts?

 

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1Love4life!!!

 

PS Fullife-U need to give it a break- U dont even know the esoteric Menaing behind the scriptures you post ie. Genesis and the Numbers and words relational meaning..You were TRAINED (As opposed to Educated) Well....Still Love you though...

1 Corinthians 3:18-19 

 

Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks they are wise by the standards of this age, they should become a "fool" so that they may become wise.  For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their own craftiness"

FAM,

 

How can wisdom of this world be foolish, when all life experiences are designed to teach you life lessons to evolve to the next realm of existence?  This is the Ignorance I am speaking about...The spriti can be programmed by the people who allow themselves to be dominated by the lower self. Then you are living in the sphere of GEB which has been programed by speher 9, which is your abiulity to immitate and mimic on a subconscious level...Whoa! let me stop here

 

For those that are reading take note....

 

1love