Amen!!  I'm witcha on that.  Their's only 2 ways to live... in the light (w/Jesus) or in complete darkness...(of the world w/saten).

 amore_me wrote:

I don't see how Christianity teaches love. Where does it teach love? I'm supposed to fear God, not love him right? I can't love someone I fear. And I have read the Bible but it doesn't agree with my lifestyle and the people that are in my life. I suppose I'm just not meant to be a Christian. It would be hypocritical of me to go to church when I don't agree with the beliefs around that religion.

There has never been a great "love" movement in the history of the world that hasn't wound up killing countless numbers of people, we must assume, to prove how much they loved them. Every hypocrite who ever walked the earth has had pockets buldging with love. Every pharisaical religionist claims to love "sinners", even though when wronged he consoles himself by thinking "God will punish them".

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telling the black church to remove its judgement on the homosexual lifestyle is the same as telling the church to not condemn murder or rape or drug addiction seeing as all these evils are condemned harshly in the book that christians base they life upon. homosexuals are literally trying to rewrite the law. bottom line is the laws of the land are based upon the laws that were given to gods people thru out scripture. the ten commandments state thou shalt not kill so we convict murderers. so what are we supposed to do, do to the fact that in the scripture god destroyed nations for the homosexual act not humans god! bottom line do we obey god or arrogant homosexuals who want to convince us that they lifestyle is special and not what it really is a lustful decision and promiscuis lifestyle.

 

all this crap about "oh i was born this way"   is stupid and literally a human sayin that god made a mistake with them. if he wanted  you to be a women he would have made you a women you dont see homosexual dogs and cats and lions etc. they act out in they correct nature if animals can get something that simple together what is wrong with human beings

 

now im not sayin that there is some special place in hell for gays, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god and just like a murderer or drug addict they get mercy and grace and forgiveness too. but you cant sin and then convince us that god made u a sinner if thats the case then god made rapist and pedophiles and murderers and drug addicts. thats not the case those people chose a lifestyle just the same way a person chooses to be homosexual

 

 

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There is no more right to be gay then it is to commit bestiality or child molestation. Sin has no right. Homosexuality is a sin and a missing of the mark. It is to live in error. It is a straying from the good orderly path of maat. also see www.pyramidoftruth.com and listen to pyramid of truth at www.live365.com

 ptahblade07 wrote:

telling the black church to remove its judgement on the homosexual lifestyle is the same as telling the church to not condemn murder or rape or drug addiction seeing as all these evils are condemned harshly in the book that christians base they life upon. homosexuals are literally trying to rewrite the law. bottom line is the laws of the land are based upon the laws that were given to gods people thru out scripture. the ten commandments state thou shalt not kill so we convict murderers. so what are we supposed to do, do to the fact that in the scripture god destroyed nations for the homosexual act not humans god! bottom line do we obey god or arrogant homosexuals who want to convince us that they lifestyle is special and not what it really is a lustful decision and promiscuis lifestyle.

The laws of the land are not based on the laws of god. There were laws for before a bunch of mentally ill people sat down and invented the christian god. Even the ten commandments were pilfered from already existing laws such as the Code of Hammurabi.

If we can change laws to accomodate and protect the delusional lifestyle(christians, muslims, jews, etc), it would be hypocritical to not change the laws to accomodate and protect the homosexual lifestyle.

all this crap about "oh i was born this way"   is stupid and literally a human sayin that god made a mistake with them. if he wanted  you to be a women he would have made you a women you dont see homosexual dogs and cats and lions etc. they act out in they correct nature if animals can get something that simple together what is wrong with human beings

I don't know what planet you live on, but here on earth there are homosexual animals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals

now im not sayin that there is some special place in hell for gays, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god and just like a murderer or drug addict they get mercy and grace and forgiveness too. but you cant sin and then convince us that god made u a sinner if thats the case then god made rapist and pedophiles and murderers and drug addicts. thats not the case those people chose a lifestyle just the same way a person chooses to be homosexual

If you believe there is a god (who is the creator of all things), then in order to be a logical believer, you must acknowledge the fact god DID create rapists, pedophiles, murderers, and drug addicts. And you must acknowledge he created them for the purpose of raping, molesting, murdering, and doing drugs. In other words, your god is a malevolent ***.

As for comparing homosexuality to being a rapist, murderer, etc, that's just stupid as a homosexual people aren't depriving anyone of life, liberty, comfort, or property by being homosexual.

 

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I respond with an unequivocal NO, they are not the same!  Civil rights may certainly extend to homosexuals but not ipso facto state of being homosexual: you are not a protected class because of you want to have sex with.  Look!, none of us should  mistreat or malign anyone, what's more how can we encourage others to look to God and how do we show Christlike love if we spew incessant hatred - and gay ba*73*  But don't get it twisted, I absolutely and unequivocally believe and trust God's word, even the portions that pose great difficulty for even me.  Yes, I believe homosexuality is a sin according to God's word.  However, I would not deign to judge you, I barely understand myself at times.  That, however certainly does not disqualify me from having an opinion, having first amendment rights and most certainly does not prevent me from living by dictates of MY conscience! (Rather than quandom sexual mores!) and belief in Christian teachings.  The which are neither subject to nor vitiated by homosexuals or anyone else who doesn't agree with me!  Now, run tell that! mrsmarthahernandez@yahoo.com

 Innervoice1963 wrote:The church is not an athiest sect nor a godless sect. The church represents God, which means its expected to teach the laws of God. So the church has no choice but to preach God's law. If homosexuals and lesbians feel stigmatized as a result of this, then so be it. The church is not supposed to be supportive of sinful behavior for the sake of not hurting someones feelings. If this drives them into secrecy; so be it. They still cant hide from God. If I teach and warn my son not to steal, or if I reprimand and embarrass him in front of his friends as I retrieve him from the store that he stole from; am I supposed to now tell him its ok to steal, just so I can make him feel less stigmatized? I think not. If my son then decided to drive himself into secrecy; so be it. He still wouldn't be able to hide from God. I wouldn't feel any remorse for having reprimanded and warned him about the sin he committed. Gay rights are not civil rights, they are human rights. The church doesn't hate homosexuals and lesbians, but the church has to follow God's law and condemn their behavior.

 

I'm guessing the real struggle is people believing that homosexuality is not a choice or just actions.  People who are not gay alot of the time would never believe that being gay is not a choice.  For those who know its not a choice, they can obviously see how someone who doesn't understand can compare homosexuals being detested in church to diciplining a child who steals.  Feel free to preach what you believe in church, but when you go to a church and every five minutes homosexuality is being detested, I would say there are some personal issues with that Pastor or Minister.  Some people in church just do it just to be deep and cause an uproar.  If you really feel homosexuality is wronged based on how you percieved bibical principal, thats fine, but you can't knock those who are gay and see it differently.

 ptahblade07 wrote:

...homosexuals are literally trying to rewrite the law.

@ptahblade07:  A thousand years after the Torah was written, the original divine scriptures given to man,  a group of Rabbis first discussed homosexuality as a perversion and that was only because of influence the Greeks were having on the Jews. Homosexuality was everyday normal in Greek society. The Torah's references to same gender sex was specific in that it was not to be perfomed in the temple during certain pagen festivals.

There is no term that means homosexual orientation in the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts of the Bible, only in the 'authorized' King James Version' that Europeans subscribed to and thus taught Amercian Slaves.  That said, why are Black folk still accepting a bastardized version of the Divine Scriptures?  Because such is what they have been taught; to accept what the White man says as Gospel, even knowing the 'authorized' King James Version was used to justify Slavery..and that's the same 'authorized version' of Bible we today still worship from? BLACK FOLK...wake up and look at how divisive, and for how long,  the European 'authorized' version of The Bible has been. At least check out the Torah or pre KJV for yourselves. Slave mentalities have kept us in biblical bondage for far too long, ergo this lip-service form of Christianity in existence today.

I've pulled two key original Hebrew words that were mistranslated in the English version of original scripture, for your edification; Qadesh and Quedeshaw. The first means a male prostitute who has ritual sex in a Pagen temple. Did you know that this was a regular profession in other countries, as well as Israel? Did you know that 'authorized' KJV Bible translated the word Qadesh to mean Homosexual and/or Sodomite? How many of your pastors have taught or spoke of how the Divine Scriptures were raped by man for his own purpose? Did you know that the other word Quedeshaw means female temple prostitute, again, a common professional of honor. KJV translation, Whore. Both Qadesh and Qedeshaw had specific roles in the temple representing a God and Goddess, both having sexual intercourse only in capacities, with member of the temple

Check out the word Toebah, orginally meaning a foreign pagen religious cult practice that had been condemned.  KJV translation, 'Abomination'.

to'ebah means a condemned, foreign, Pagan, religious, cult practice, but often simply translated as "abomination." Eating food which contains both meat and dairy products is "to'ebah" A Jew eating with an Egyptian was "to'ebah." A Jew wearing a polyester-cotton garment would be "to'ebah." 

The 'authorized' Kings James Version says nothing about the orginal text in that male on male sex was forbidden or an abomination in the temples on particular pagen holidays. Such are the rewritten scriptures to many folk use to bash homosexuality in general. We really, really, really have been free too long not to have released that slave mentality of accepting everything massa said as being 'gospel.'  Knowing that the KJV translation of the Divine Scriptures were used to justify Slavery to then Christians should be enough in and of itself to make us seek out the Torah. Christian should strive to walk the life of Christ and not that of King James.

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For a  minute there, I had to laugh at your statemet of indifference when it comes to men and women on the "DL".  It would appear that double standards exist even with homosexuals.   

In my opinion, whether you're male or female, wrong is wrong and we as a society should not glamorize one over the other.  Yes, homosexuality is a cardinal sin.  We should not hate the homosexual man or woman, but the behavior displayed.  Just because the gay person comes out of the closet isn't a green light to shine for all to see.  Wrong is wrong.  Public display of homosexuals and homosexuality should be prohibited. What is done in the privacy of your home should stay behind closed doors. 

Children should not be exposed to such acts on TV or in real life.  We are breeding a generation of confused, misguided children because of the enormous media attention to this alternative lifestyle.  How the heck can churches see fit to marry gay couples is beyond me.  Therefore the churches that allow such marriages are advocating and accepting  this type of partnership/relationships. 

I do not stand in judgment of anyone - although I do have strong opinions on certain issues. 

first and foremost those laws such as the ten commandments were not created by some sick white men they were copied ( and maybe tampered with) from ancient african doctorine such as the 42 principles of maat which do condemn lustful intentions. homosexuality is a lustful decision to have a part of they anatomy satisfied. it seems you are just tryin to win a argument and maybe defend your own homo ways then deal with the basis of my argument, is that lifestlye part of the law that governs us as human beings. you can talk about laws and its significance if you want to but there are laws we have to abide by as human beings to exist on this planet. you can decide that you dont want to drink water anymore because its nasty but at the end of the day your body is going to command you get some water or face the consequences of that action. same goes for the law of procreation the reason god made us with penis and ability to produce sperm, not to go turn lustful and just get satisfied and submit to sexual desire. you tellin me god wants us to submit to lust and sexual desire?

 by your definition hell all things should be allowed: greed , lying, stealing,murder etc. god didnt create that he created human beings with potential to live as vicegerents of him on the earth. if you decided to slap everybody you see you tellin me god made you a slapper? no you made the decision to slap people. humans just like those animals you posted(even your article makes it clear that behavior is animals acting out of there own nature)are uneducated on the true purpose of the human being and therefore fall into beasts acting on animal instints so when lust is raging a animal finds means to satisfy themself by any means possible(i.e a dog humpin on a leg)and humans now do the same. the bible was not created by racist white boys those stories are ancient african stories that can be found on pyrimads and in monuments located in ethiopia etc.  im familiar with the council of nicem in which the bible was altered and also familiar with the over 300 versions of the bible bottom line is common sense law. it has been scientifically proven that it is harmful to the human being to have a penis shoved up they rectum. so common sense says that we know our buttholes were not made for that what makes us think it is permissible by god.

and for the record as you talk about the sick people who created some law,also talk about the sick people who created the homosexual lifestyle. those fallin into lusts and sexual desire lead to the pedophiles and rapists. sexual desires and lust was meant to be shared with a partner of the opposite sex if any other case was truth then men who claim they were born gay would have been made with no penis and bigger butt holes. homosexuals as well as the others are actin out of the nature in which god created the human being, the task here is to get us as humans back on track....

 

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 EmeraldFalcon wrote: ptahblade07 wrote:

...homosexuals are literally trying to rewrite the law.

@ptahblade07:  A thousand years after the Torah was written, the original divine scriptures given to man,  a group of Rabbis first discussed homosexuality as a perversion and that was only because of influence the Greeks were having on the Jews. Homosexuality was everyday normal in Greek society. The Torah's references to same gender sex was specific in that it was not to be perfomed in the temple during certain pagen festivals.

There is no term that means homosexual orientation in the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts of the Bible, only in the 'authorized' King James Version' that Europeans subscribed to and thus taught Amercian Slaves.  That said, why are Black folk still accepting a bastardized version of the Divine Scriptures?  Because such is what they have been taught; to accept what the White man says as Gospel, even knowing the 'authorized' King James Version was used to justify Slavery..and that's the same 'authorized version' of Bible we today still worship from? BLACK FOLK...wake up and look at how divisive, and for how long,  the European 'authorized' version of The Bible has been. At least check out the Torah or pre KJV for yourselves. Slave mentalities have kept us in biblical bondage for far too long, ergo this lip-service form of Christianity in existence today.

I've pulled two key original Hebrew words that were mistranslated in the English version of original scripture, for your edification; Qadesh and Quedeshaw. The first means a male prostitute who has ritual sex in a Pagen temple. Did you know that this was a regular profession in other countries, as well as Israel? Did you know that 'authorized' KJV Bible translated the word Qadesh to mean Homosexual and/or Sodomite? How many of your pastors have taught or spoke of how the Divine Scriptures were raped by man for his own purpose? Did you know that the other word Quedeshaw means female temple prostitute, again, a common professional of honor. KJV translation, Whore. Both Qadesh and Qedeshaw had specific roles in the temple representing a God and Goddess, both having sexual intercourse only in capacities, with member of the temple

Check out the word Toebah, orginally meaning a foreign pagen religious cult practice that had been condemned.  KJV translation, 'Abomination'.

to'ebah means a condemned, foreign, Pagan, religious, cult practice, but often simply translated as "abomination." Eating food which contains both meat and dairy products is "to'ebah" A Jew eating with an Egyptian was "to'ebah." A Jew wearing a polyester-cotton garment would be "to'ebah." 

The 'authorized' Kings James Version says nothing about the orginal text in that male on male sex was forbidden or an abomination in the temples on particular pagen holidays. Such are the rewritten scriptures to many folk use to bash homosexuality in general. We really, really, really have been free too long not to have released that slave mentality of accepting everything massa said as being 'gospel.'  Knowing that the KJV translation of the Divine Scriptures were used to justify Slavery to then Christians should be enough in and of itself to make us seek out the Torah. Christian should strive to walk the life of Christ and not that of King James.

for the most part i do agree that we as black people shouldnt except what the white man fed us as the gospel but read my above statement and see that greeks or russian hebrews or king james are not the original designers for the bible or any other major religous text in the world those text were stolen and tampered with but the parts that were tampered with are the stories of adam and eve and the trinity and so forth most ancient religous text condemn homosexuality  head on and if not directly forbid the acceptence of sexual desire and lust. the homosexual lifestyle is a lustful lifestyle however you try to write it based upon the fact the whole culture is based on your sexual decision. you dont sleep with the same sex anymore you are no longer gay. its really that simple all this other information about how the bible is not pure and was re-written are just clouded arguments to detract from basic human principle.

ONE THING YOU NEED AND ALL PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT RELIGION NEVER MADE ANYBODY PERFECT. IT IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD THAT PERFECTS THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO MAKE THEMSELVES AVAILABLE, BUT IN ALL HONESTY. REMEMBER THAT SODOM AND GOMORRHA WERE DESTROYED BECAUSE OF HOMOSEXUALITY AND LESBIANISM. DON'T THINK THAT GOD WON'T POUR OUT THE SAME JUDGMENT ON THIS NATION. SECOND THING IS JUST BECAUSE GOD USES THEM DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HEAVEN. HE USED JUDAS TO BETRAY JESUS AND IN HELL HE LIFTED UP HIS EYES. HAD JUDAS REPENTED OF HIS SIN, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED AND THAT IS THE MESSAGE WE AS MINISTERS PRESENT TO HOMOSEXUALS, LESBIANS, ADULTERERS, LIARS, THIEVES, MOLESTERS, RAPISTS, MURDERERS, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS NOT RECEIVED JESUS AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR. HAD THE CHURCH BEEN SPEAKING OUT ABOUT THIS, THIS LAND WOULD NOT AS FILLED WITH INIQUITY AS  IT IS TODAY. HOMOSEXUALITY/LESBIANISM/BISEXUALITY ARE ALL ABOMINATIONS IN THE EYES OF THE LORD. READ LEVITICUS CHAPTERS 18 AND 19; ROMANS CHAPTERS 1 & 2. PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP AND STOP PACIFYING THESE PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM WHAT IS GOOD FOR THEM AND NOT GOOD TO THEM.

PLEASE TURN TO LEVITICUS CHAPTERS 18 AND 19 IN THE "AUTHORIZED KING JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE" AND READ IT FOR YOURSELF AND STOP LISTENING TO THE SO-CALLED BLACK ACTIVISTS WHOSE MINDS ARE IN BONDAGE THEMSELVES. AND IF YOU READ IN THE NEW TESTAMENT OF THE AUTHORIZED KING JAMES VERSION, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GENTILE, MALE NOR FEMALE, BOND NOR FREE IN THE EYES OF THE LORD. IN OTHER WORDS GOD DOES NOT LOOK AT RACE OR ETHNIC BACKGROUND. HE LOOKS FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS AND PURENESS OF HEART.

YOU ASK THE QUESTION WHY CAN'T HE CURE DEPRESSION AND OTHER THINGS. IF GOD CAN'T HEAL THEM THEN MAY THE CHALLENGE BE MADE TO THEM TO HEAL THEMSELVES, SINCE GOD CAN'T DO ANYTHING AND HE'S NOT REAL ANYWAY, RIGHT? WRONG!! JESUS SAYS IF YOU ABIDE IN ME, THEN I WILL ABIDE IN YOU AND MY FATHER, WHICH IS GOD, WILL ABIDE IN YOU. I HAVE NEVER BEEN GAY AND NEVER WILL BE GAY, BUT I CAN SAY THIS THAT THE BIBLE DOES SAY THAT IF YOU CONFESS YOUR FAULTS, HE (GOD) IS FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE YOU, AND WATCH THIS HE WILL KEEP YOU FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. PAUL THE APOSTLE HAD WHAT HE CALLED A THORN IN THE FLESH AND HE ASKED GOD TO REMOVE IT, BUT GOD TOLD HIM MY GRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR THEE. IN OTHER WORDS, GOD DID NOT REMOVE THAT WHICH WAS TEMPTING PAUL, BUT WAS GIVING HIM SELF-CONTROL OVER IT TO OVERCOME IT. JUST BECAUSE THE DESIRES ARE STILL THERE, DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN DELIVERED. IT IS THERE TO KEEP THEM IN SUBJECTION TO THE WILL AND PURPOSE OF GOD. IF GOD CONTROLLED ALL OF OUR MINDS TO AUTOMATICALLY LIVE FOR HIM, THE PRAISE AND WORSHIP WOULD BE ROBOTIC AND NOT WILLINGLY. HE'S THE KIND OF GOD THAT LETS YOU CHOOSE. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT TO SERVE A GOD LIKE THE ALMIGHTY HEAVENLY FATHER? IF YOU LIVE BY HIS WILL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN FEAR OF HIS WRATH. BUT YOU CAN LIVE FREELY IN HIS PEACE AND LOVE.

"greeks or russian hebrews or king james are not the original designers for the bible or any other major religous text ....

  B)its really that simple all this other information about how the bible is not pure and was re-written are just clouded arguments to detract from basic human principle."

@ptahblade: Big Ups for the response. Don't agree with everything you have to say, but definately respect your opinions enough to seek your assistance concerning documents I can physically look at and study its then translation other than the Torah. Can u point me in the direction of other such documents.

With regards to basic human principle, if it was only that simple. Everything in history has been told through the viewpoint of power, wealth, and politics; the haves controling the moral values and story documentationof the have nots, therefore unless we have the documented origin of basic what basic human principle should be, in its existing state its all clouded argument we again have certain men imposing their certain belief on the masses, calling it basic human principle. Christians tried that one with using the Bible to justify Slavery. So in that area I will respectfully agree to disagree.

What we do know for fact is that the KJV is without a doubt a bastardized version of the Torah, and too Slave mentality is generational and real.

Is the Torah a bastardized version of something(s) earlier? What are those African and or Asian documents that preceed known religious cults. I'm not seeking the information  to pro or con homosexuality or anything judged moral or immoral by man. My only concern is that us Black folk are still giving our minds over first to a document that we know beyond a shawdow of a doubt is multipled manipulated document of even it original text, the Torah - the KJV, literally a wolf in sheep clothing  That's not to say that because of that one shouldn't believe in God or whatever you call your Higher Power; that's why the ability to have aone-on-one development with your higher Power exist. It's just that those who teach that you can't serve two masters are doing just that: serving God and a known false document, and are inturn beating the hell out of folk with bastardized scripture so far removed from the truth until it's crazy. They are fully dark skinned white folk with not a shred of African decency or honor to that which existed long before the Bible or the Torah. And they seek not any further past the brainwashing and simple regurgitation of what they heard and saw as children, the genrational curse known as the boundaries of Christianity. Just in the fact that faith is laid claim to an infinate God yet the book of  'authorized" knowledge is finite based on the known manipulations of man is mental madness and to me the ultimate disrespect to our Higher Power; that we think He/She/It unworthy enough to seek truth. We say and accept the White man's truth as truth enough.

Even in the some of the traditional Christian songs sung lay the acknowledgement by Chrisitians that they really don't believe in God, or they believe he/she/it is less than. Take for example the words, "I don't know why Jesus loved me, I don't know why he cared, I don't know why he sacrified his Life Oh but I'm glad, I'm glad he did." WTF!  How could any so called Christian allow those words to come out of their mouth, singing of the Son "I don't know why you love me, care about me or died for me."  You don't know why Jesus loves you but you can take a scripture of 'authorized' scripture and bash the hell out of somebody else? Give me a Mofo break. Take that garbage and smell it.

Anywho, any references to divinity documents pre Torah is appreciated.

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