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    03-12-2007, 3:26 PM
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Wink [;)] Religion? Why Do We Go Back and Forth but Never Come To An Solution

Who cares? It’s about human advancement… Islam is about 2 thousand years old, Christianity is roughly 4 thousand years old and Judaism is 6 thousand years old.  I mention this only to say that Africans were here before them all and it was the African that has given them all life/spirituality. I am into culture and spirituality oppose to religion.

 

Islam: Islam which is a composite religion just arrived on the scene. Islam is a break down of many other religious concepts made into one religion. Islam was used and still is used by men to further enslave Africans of the world. Mohammad was tutored by his African servant to give him a greater understanding of what he was doing. It was the African that gave Islam its greatness. Mind you Mohammad could not read nor write his own language. It was Mohammad’s wife that afforded his riches. Mohammad the so called prophet practiced slavery. Still the religion itself has very good teachings but it is the followers that seldom give it a bad name.

 

Christianity: Jesus never called himself Christ-Christ is a title that means to be dipped in oil. Christianity is also a knock off religion. Since the label Christianity was appointed to this religion after the death of Jesus then people should ask themselves what culture/religion did Jesus practice or study and where did he acquire the knowledge? Remember Christianity came about 100 years after the death of Jesus. The Romans transformed the state into the church. The concept Mary, Joseph and Jesus is a borrowed concept from the Greeks understanding of Orsius, Isis and Horace which was taken from the Egyptian understanding of Ausar, Auset and Heru. Check out the dates of the ladder and discover how deep your history goes back.

 

Judaism: Judaism is a religion taken over by foreigners of a strange land. Africans are the Aborigines of this religion Ethiopia to be exact. All these above religions have been occupied and taken over by people of the European decent. All the above mentioned religions should be reviewed. 

 

I don’t care for anyone trying to wave their religious flag higher than the next.  They all have flaws in them. As long as the black man and black woman have amnesia to their historical greatness then arguments like this will only continue. 

 

Religion is not the answer nor is it the solution to our problem they are merely symptoms of our problem. No disrespect to Mohammed, Jesus and Mosses but who really cares? Who cares when they all had to spend time and study in Africa? Now the question that should be asked is what they were learning while in Africa. What was going on there? Why was Africa so important back then even to this day? Once we gain the knowledge of this then collectively we can move forward. Please when you reply don’t defend your religion rather explain the influence in which it came about and how can we as a people move forward out of our collective stupor?

 

Oh, to my Islamic brothers and sisters please don’t beat up my Christian family. All our hands are covered with blood. Rather, come up with solutions with out entering Religion.  

 

Heaven is at the foot of Mother…

 

 

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    03-12-2007, 3:29 PM
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Re: Religion? Why Do We Go Back and Forth but Never Come To An Solution

---I don’t care for anyone trying to wave their religious flag higher than the next.  They all have flaws in them. As long as the black man and black woman have amnesia to their historical greatness then arguments like this will only continue.---

You got that right! 

  
    03-12-2007, 4:58 PM
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Re: Religion? Why Do We Go Back and Forth but Never Come To An Solution
Challenge: I say that Islam has brought the MOST advancement to Africa and the world. We can start listing those advancements if you like. What has Pagan Egypt done for any Black person? When we read about Ancient Egypt, we find Black on Black oppression. So God Almighty wiped them off the map. You say Islam is new? On the contrary, you cannot name one ancient Egyptian who existed before Abraham, nor can you find one Egyptian relic that is older than the Ka'ba (Islamic house of God) in Mecca. So list Egypt's contribution to Black people. I'll humbly be waiting for your reply.
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    03-12-2007, 6:37 PM
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Hotep Rahman:

Please I beg of you to stop this back and forth it will only lead us to nowhere quickly. You believe what you believe to be true and nobody can ever change this fact.  I will never try to change your point of view. You are quickly becoming a fanatic and I ignor these types of people. I have read your past posts and you look for a fight a fight for Islam. You offer no solution to our collective problem. Would you be happier if I told you that you win? I am too strong for you to change my point of view. You have created a separate thread to fight and nobody has bitten. Please don't try to make this thread a thread to post your polical views.  

Let’s clear the air on some things…

 

I love Islam but it is not my choice of religion. I am not religious nor do I believe in religion of any sort. I believe in culture, a way of life. However, as an organization I do believe that Islam is the best (as a religion) solution for the transformation of a people to reduce or eliminate racism, crime, drugs and unlawful sex. Collectively, Islam best prepares its people for a revolution that is desperately needed. We as a people, especially people of color are in a state of emergency. There is no other group of people that are dying at the rate as people of color. No other group is getting Rodney Kinged up side their heads like the Africans of the world. No other group is getting shoot at 41/50 times like the Africans of the world. No other group is treated like 2nd class citizens of the world and people of color have given birth to every other species of the entire planet. There is no other group of people that have been Raped, Murdered, Stolen, Experimented on Disfigured/Maimed, Bamboozled, Hood Winked, Run a mock – lied too and Sold. People of color are long overdue for a revolution and Islam may be the best solution for the Negro revolt. First a person must re-revolutionize one’s way of thinking. Second, people need to be able to rise to the ultimate sacrifice, life itself. Anyone or any group that advocates any different is truly your enemy.

 

I will entertain you only once my friend. This type of conversation is counter productive and I am about moving forward, advancement of my people. Smiling nonetheless, because I knew you would come for a visit. Did you know that during the time of ADAM AND EVE or The Creation Story (roughly around 5-6 thousand years ago King James Version) did you know that there was an Alkub-lan or African nation already in existence during this time (in its 17th Dynasty)? Are you aware of the fact that the pyramids are 57 thousand years old? Are you aware that the world’s first mono-theism concept of one God came out of Africa?  Have you seen the black Madonna? Did you know that Paris, in France was named after Mother Isis (House of Mother)? I feel that you are thirsty for knowledge if so find out. Please don’t challenge me this is not a game you would want to play. This back and forth stuff is for children. Please do not wait for a reply that will fuel your fire.  I asked for solution to our collective problem and you pour more gasoline into the fire.  Is this your intent and nature? I pray not… I will never entertain your arguments. You are very disrespectful as a Muslim to call Egypt pagan. Egypt and the continent of Africa are responsible for your very existence.  Imhotep, one of the first Master Builder of his time is older than Abraham. Look up the worlds first step pyrimid. Check out it's location as well then fall back. You should look up the Twa people and refer to the dates of these people that map the stars long before the concept of Islam came about in existence.

 

Hotep,

 

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    03-12-2007, 6:42 PM
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Hotep: 

 

Let us look at Africa on the eve of the rise of Islam.  Religions rise and are created & grow within a vacuum.  A condition has to be created for religions to rise.  What was the vacuum?  How did it create?  Who created it?  What was the condition of Africa in western Asia called the Middle East on the eve on the rise of Islam?

 

If Islam rose in the 600’s A.D., what was happening in the 600 A.D?  The Roman Empire was falling apart.  The Roman Empire had been falling apart militarily since 450 A.D.  450 A.D. , a bunch of German Thugs called Vandals moved down and hit the Roman Empire.  Now the Romans had propaganda out that the Roman was invisible militarily, and a lot of people believed this it’s just that the Vandals didn’t read the propaganda & could not read anyway. 

 

They did not know that if you hit a Roman you were suppose to fall dead.  You see they just hit the Romans in such a way that the Romans never recovered & they added a word to the language.  Vandalism; destroy everything.  They warded on men because they had a wife and children, because they’re too stable.  They resented everything.  Then they moved over into Spain and started a fight with the Goths and the Visigoths.  Only the people who read Roman propaganda continue to believe the nonsense, but the Roman would coast along time.  Now, the Romans have already made a mess of the management of Christianity because now the fight between the Byzantine’s and the regular Romans continue. 

 

When the Romans (if you understand what I am saying right now maybe you’ll start straighten out some current things) stop killing Christians & became Christians they wanted to take over the apparatus of Christianity from the Africans who was managing it while they were killing Christians.  Hey, when the European takes over anything he wants to control all of it, not a part of it.  Now if some backward people called Black Leftist understood this they would realize that if they help the white left into power, the white left would do them in.  Now, I am not less of a Socialist, because I’m saying this, but I am more of an African Nationalist and a Pan Africanist because I am saying this, because I take my Socialist from African Social Living and not Karl Marks. 

 

You see I take mine straight from the originator’s of it who originated it before the first European whore a shoe or lived in a house that had a window.  So I know there is nothing new about it the Africans had it all along.  I go to the original instead of the carbon copies created in Europe.  There are a lot of Africans today that do not know this, once the Romans became Christians they accepted it as a political apparatus but the spirituality of it eluted them completely. 

 

Where are they now in history?  The conference at nicem has already occurred, several conferences.  That’s behind, 100 yrs or more the Roman out of their weakness, and you must separate the political empire from the holy empire.  The political Roman Empire is dead.  When the political empire started to weaken they began to have African Emperor’s, the most colorful being Septimius Severus one of the last being Caracalla or Caraius (I could be wrong about the spelling).  Septimius Severus is noted of being the governor of Europe after being Emperor of Rome.  He was from the political Roman Empire. 

 

Now the Holy Roman Empire has had at this point African Popes.  There were 3, Augustine, & Cyprian (I think) and Trertullian.  Trertullian being a noted one and he would not be that popular today because he was one that said “Vanity, vanity thou name is woman”.  St. Augustin is another & gave the church its writings (the greatest writer of the church) and gave it its beginning.  The Bishop of Hippo is another my main point here is the African contribution to the church has been made.  When St. Augustin looked back at what the European have done to Christianity and the Nicem conference made him laugh.  He said that these people did not understand Christianity. 

 

The fight between the Byzantines & Roman over the dominance of the church had literally wrecked the church and this mismanagement & disenchantment would cause a camel boy (Now because you can’t read does not mean that you are without wisdom or stupid, most of the people of that time period could not read) began to talk to other camel boys and finally he began to rise up in his profession.  He was working for his uncle in the trades, in the caravan trade for the masters.  He married a rich widow who secured for him 2 Ethiopian tutors that the Islamic encyclopedia called slaves, which is incorrect. 

 

Zaid is the 3rd & Bilal is the first I am at a lost of the 2nd name of the converts whom aided the prophet.  Anybody can help at this point?  Now this is the condition the corruption of Christianity had reached a point for failing to find reform – to get reform.  He began to send letters to the different heads of state asking them to accept the new faith and some of them laughed at them but the Emperor of China take it seriously and it did not seem to bother him.  Moving forward quickly now Bilal went with Mohammed almost everywhere as Mohammed was looking for someone to call the faithful to prayer.  Bilal became the first Muslim to call the faithful to prayer.  Bilal was Mohammed steward, mase carrier & general – all around man.  Bilal had the sweetest voice & made out of it a great art form.  Even to this day if you go to Senegal & listen to the faithful being called to prayer it is a concert piece.  Listen to a Arab country sing it, it sounds like a bad bird singing of tone.  To this day they cannot pull it off.  What I am saying is the beauty of that song the African infuse a spiritual beauty to ti that you will not find anywhere in the world. 

 

Some countries may record an Africans voice to acquire the spirit but that’s how he gets it.  My Grandfather told me that in Libya, a predominantly Arab country, when the 5 prayers is called on time is where you do see a degree of people moving toward the Mosque to say prayer.  In most Arab counties the traffic keeps moving.  In Senegal a predominantly African country, when it comes time for prayer the traffic stops.  Papa said, “You can be having a baby but the traffic stop.  My point is whether I believe in it or not it is just so beautiful in seeing so many black people doing something in unison.  Right or wrong is of no significance, no significance.  Just seeing them doing something together is a thing of joy.  You notice one thing in general the men and women are closer together in African country than in Arab country’s. 

 

At a time and because they were desert people when a woman had a girl – when a woman had 2 girls if the woman had a 3rd girl they either got red of her or put it to death.  Woman protested this & he defended their right to keep the children.  In as much of the prophet defended their right to keep their children.  One wonder why & how over the years systematically Islam became predominantly a male chauvinistic religion.  Here you have to separate Islam from Arabism.  Maybe it was something about the desert & maybe it was the belief that women needed protection, but very few women rose to high position I the Arab side of the religion. 

 

I can name woman head of state on the black side of it and not only head of state but rode in the head of her army in the battlefield of the 1500’s, Queen Amina of Zaria.  She is one of the great queens of Africa.

 

  

Hotep,

 

Sun of Ra

 

Heaven is at the foot of Mother…

 

  
    03-12-2007, 7:02 PM
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History began in Africa. All your science comes out of Africa. The worlds first calendar, and alphabet came out of this origin. The worlds first writings, thought and expression came out of Africa. Landscaping, surgery, medicine and universities came out of Africa. This and more came from black people out of Africa. Why do you hate Africa?  Why do you hate your creator. You can not love the tree but hate the root it does not work that way. Don't try to figure out what you don't understand. Keep in mind children understand then they innerstand as adults Overstand.

 

Afrika is the tropical region where Ra (the Sun) shines brightest and Melanin absorbs and protects from the rays of Ra.  The 7 principles of MA’AT are. 

 

  1. Mental: meaning whatever is seen or created in the mind (mental plane) can be created in the physical world and stand firm just like the pyramids in Afrika as long as it does not conflict with the spiritual world (spiritual Plane). 

 

  1. Correspondence: which is usually defined as “so above, so below”; which can further be defined as if you want to learn about the unknown world, learn as much as you can about the known world.  Our ancestors said the study of nature is the first step to greater understanding. 

 

  1. Vibration; it recognizes that everything in the universe is moving from thee fastest thing to the very slowest; chairs we are sitting on at the moment is moving at a very slow rate of vibration. 

 

  1. Polarity, which means everything in the universe has its pair of opposites, which are really the same in nature, but different in degree.  Like the coldest of all ice is dry ice, but when it makes contact with the skin, it burns; so the coldest of the cold crosses that thin line by a few degrees and becomes hot. 

 

  1. Rhythm; it means that everything operates in cycles; everything has its ups and downs.  Spring (time of birth) was here, which was followed by summer (life), and then fall (decay) comes, followed by respectively by winter (death).  Then the cycle repeats each spring (rebirth). 

 

  1. Cause & Effect, meaning every effect has a cause; nothing happens as an accident.  Everything that we think of and do will determine our future experiences negatively and positively. 

 

  1. Gender, which means that everything has its Masculine and Feminine principles.  Gender is on all planes.  Spiritually and mentally, the Creator has equal masculine and feminine aspects; and physically, life can only be created by male and female bodies, or one body that has male and female properties like some plants do.  Anyone who operates ignoring these laws do not operate under truth

 

Correspondence – The smallest particle of matter in the universe is the atom.  The atom is made up of an electron or electrons that circle, or orbits, a proton or protons and a neutron(s).  Our body is made up of more than one atom.  Just like an electron orbits the nucleus made up of a proton and a neutron, this planet and others orbit the sun.   So all of these orbiting planets and the sun could be looked at as a giant atom or what you call, solar system.  Just like there are many of the same types of atoms in your body, do you think there are other types of solar systems in the universe?

 

In the universe, there are 4 elements throughout the universe that exist at different rates of vibration or degree.  There is a life-giving nucleus (positive) or center like the sun and the energy with a substance that you well call melanin. Due to the fact that our earth contains melanin needed to receive energy, we must change our image of natural beings from other planets that use the same substance to absorb energy to an image like your own.  Our ancestors understood Vibration to the point where they were able to control all matter.  Matter controlled was from the hardest and slowest vibrating substances like a thought (brainwave).  Our ancestors, like yours, knew that the negative Cause, like one aspect of creation dominating another, would produce the negative Effect of destroying life and civilization rather than create life.  Our ancestors knew Gender well enough to see that the Family is the first technology of an advanced civilization.  Our ancestors understood because the universe is mental, to think of a world of balance and justice based on spiritual oneness with the Creator, through nature, was the first step to physically building the great civilization of the past.  With is understanding we are called Grand Master Builders.  Rhythm and Polarity are very important to understand at this time.  We have lost the way of knowledge of truth. 

 

MA AT is the study of nature and is to provide knowledge development of the will of the student that allowed salvation or freedom of the soul from the fetters of chains of the physical body.   Religions are simply deviations, or branches of MAAT and over time, natural people will take these religions back to their source.  Religions are also planetary, or local, while MAAT is limitless like the universe.  

 

Melanin:  A key to Freedom, the whole human body black melanin system serves as an eye of the soul to produce inner-vision, true spiritual consciousness, creative genius beatific vision, to become Godlike, and to have conversations with the immortals or ancestors.  

 

Christians believe that the holy trinity of the gods is father, son and Holy Spirit.  Under MAAT, this is out of order and untrue.  The correct trinity would be father + Mother=Son/Daughter which is correct according to the law of Gender. 

 

 

Hotep,

 

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    03-13-2007, 9:18 AM
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Big Smile [:D] Re: Religion? Why Do We Go Back and Forth but Never Come To An Solution
@Amen Ra: You started off by saying 'Please let's not go back and forth' and followed that up with 'Your quickly becoming a religious fanatic'...And after that you followed up with three long posts. WTF? You talk about waving religious flags? Yet no one came on here putting down your DEAD PAGAN RELIGION in the first place. YOU started with your UNINFORMED comments about Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. SO YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF FROM JUMP STREET. This why I didn't waste my time reading any of that other garbage you posted. PAGAN EGYPT is no different than SODOM AND GAMORAH. Only an uninformed idiot would be under the false notion that Pagan Egypt was the first civilization on earth, predating Abraham (the first Muslim). Even the average Sunday school student knows that BABYLON existed before Pharoah and his goons. And the last person who tried to build Pyramids in the U.S. is sitting in prison right now for multiple counts of child molestation (Dr. Malachi Z.York). So, go worship your Penis Symbols or something, and be at peace. (The spirit of Aman Ra is said to reside in a statue of a golden Ding-a-Ling called 'Obelisks'). Ancient Egyptians worshiped male and female genital organs. Did you mention that to your readers? I can see it now! the future of black people under the leadership of Amen Ra: "O great big black Ding-a-Ling of Osiris that gives life to the universe, O great wet co ochie of Isis that gave birth to the creatures of the Nile, allow us to stand firm as the stiff erection of Amen Ra; thy Ankh is the key of life, two gental organs united, which ever remind us of the Great Premature Ejaculation called the big bang theory..." Pleeeease negro. You can keep your pagan religion.
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    03-13-2007, 1:42 PM
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Re: Religion? Why Do We Go Back and Forth but Never Come To An Solution

Hotep:

You sound very pissed off - End of discussion and I thank you for your time. I pray that you do not have any children under your wisdom. This was very uplifting information you have presented. I will turn to the east for guidence.

 

Sun of Ra

 

Heaven is at the foot of Mother...

  
    03-14-2007, 12:07 AM
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Big Smile [:D] Re: Religion? Why Do We Go Back and Forth but Never Come To An Solution

Wow!  That was some mind blowing knowledge you just kicked Amen Ra!  You really know your stuff man!  I like how you came back and cleared things up about Isis, Osris, and Seth.  Not only that, but you noticed how angry that smiley face was!  Oooh your good!  And all this time I thought a smily face meant happy or fun.  Look at my face now Amen Ra.  Am I smiling?

Face it Amen Ra.  You got in over your head.  I'll go ahead leave you alone since you can't offer an informed or educated reply to the TRUTHS I mentioned about Pagan Egypt.  Forgive me for assuming that you knew what you were talking about.  Next time I suggest sending your teacher to defend your religion for you.  Otherwise, don't come on here and belittle Christianity, Judaism, or Islam.  Not unless your armed with knowledge!

Everyone else can confirm my story about Pagan Egypt, Osiris, and Penis Worship by clicking on this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallic


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    03-14-2007, 4:07 PM
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Re: Religion? Why Do We Go Back and Forth but Never Come To An Solution

Hotep:

Thank you Sir for not trying to draw me into the pit. Enjoy your life.   

Smiling as well

 

Sun of Ra

 

Heaven is at the foot of Mother...

 

 

  
    03-15-2007, 1:05 AM
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Re: Religion? Why Do We Go Back and Forth but Never Come To An Solution

How is Islam the best solution to end crime and racism when the very premise of Islam is to destroy those who are not Mulsim? At it's core Islam, Christianity, and any religion that promotes the destruction of someoone else for simply "being" is inherently a religion of crime and racism.

As the Nazis, KKK, and other religious groups quickly learned, more crime is not a solution to crime.

If you want to enact social change, you need to use things like education. The complete opposite of religion/crime. If we can learn anything from the scores of ignorant christian and muslim blacks in American prisons, it's not religion that stops crime. It's education.

You want to start a revolution? Try doing something different than what we're doing now. It's obvious religion and crime isn't working in our favor. Let's give education a try. Smart people have never get bamboozled.


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    03-15-2007, 1:51 AM
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Hotep AztecRed: I agree… However allow me to explain myself. First let me say thank you for your post. I am all about revolution but I first believe we must first revolutionize our way of thinking. As an African-American most of my people are Christians. Most of my people follow a book of others that have conquered them the same can be said about Islam as the founder of Islam has too conquered my people. I have seen the transformation of black people when they experienced Islam and the results are quicker opposed to traditional European education. European education does not allow the African to transform himself out of his collective stupor. It never allow him to successfully build a nation within a nation. It only allow him/her to fit in the society that is opposed to his collective growth. African Americans are into religion most are on the Martin Luther King level in having a dream. They rather dream or live in fantasy oppose to confront their collective reality. In comparison at least Islam deals with reality more than Christianity has to offer. Neither is the answer but if and I repeat if I was forced to choose of the two I would chose Islam mainly for it’s warrior spirit. I am a firm believer that one should not exit as they entered. I think it is good to experience these theories but not to dwell in those theories due to life is forever changing as we should. Both are evil in intent but like you said education is key. Christians need to embrace what they don’t understand this is a form of education. With this being said I would hope the people would see that religion is crime and racism. War or a form of civil war can not be avoided. Bloodshed is unavoidable. It is happening as we type. You spoke on Social Change well this is a form of revolution. It depends on greatly the state of mind of man and what he is willing to sacrifice the ultimate sacrifice life itself. He has to be made aware of the true definition of “what is Man”. Man: accepting responsibility; The mind that comes from the womb. Therefore our revolution relies chiefly on the state of mind of our Women. Women are the first vehicle that comes in contact with our children (future). She is key in our social change. I agree with you when you talk about education but education alone will not do it. We must have an educational agenda, Political agenda, Cultural agenda Economic agenda and an agenda in how our people will be defended. What are your thoughts? Hotep, Sun of Ra Heaven is at the foot of Mother…
  
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@Aztec: I'll mention a word that we all are familiar with, and Amen Ra I'm sure you can agree. Its called Dualism. Muslims understand this as "Allah created everything in pairs". Light and Dark, Hot and Cold, Male and Female, Good and Evil, Paradise and Hell, etc. Each thing is actually an equal/opposite expression of one thing, and everything is ultimately connected. As humans, we get frustrated on our differences because we all want what's best for each other. Islam specifically teaches us to bring our selves (Nafs) into conformity to Allah's will so that we can grow and become Masters of over Allah's creation. In this regard Allah says: "When I say to a thing 'Be' it is. Obey me to the extent that when you say to a thing 'Be' it is." Allah is the source of All-Knowledge (Al-'Alim). So we must tap into that source. This is education Aztec, and it does not conflict with anything that you or Amen Ra are saying, its just worded different. As for crime, it is the flaw of the individual. Crime is a moral problem. Wearing the title of a Muslim, Christian, or Satanist, does not prevent us from straying into territory that can bring harm upon ourselves and/or others. A Muslim who studies the Quran with presence of mind will find out some very disturbing things about negligence and fate. Islam doesn't pretend that once you convert your safe. Nor does it restrict salvation to Muslims only. Islam is a 'path' to safety. But the individual must not stray from that path. He is taught to seek guidance from his Creator, who originally guided him to the womb of his mother when he had no Knowledge of Self or Awareness of Being. And this world we live in is constantly distracting us from that path. It is a world of trail and tribulation, created as such. Every creature and every element is at war each other. Yet through all of this, perfect balance is achieved, and creation sustained. I'm on IE7 and I don't want this post to get long so I'll end it here. Peace.
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    03-16-2007, 5:25 AM
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Re: Religion? Why Do We Go Back and Forth but Never Come To An Solution

Dualism is a flawed concept. Between light and dark, there are shades of gray. Between male and female are intersex people or parthenogenic animals. Between hot and cold are many levels of warm and cool. Even day and night have dawn and dusk between them. Good/evil and paradise/hell are only matters of perception. One man's hell is another man's paradise. One man's evil is another man's good.

Nothing in reality is absolutely dualistic other than the state of being alive or the state of being dead.


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    03-16-2007, 6:32 AM
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 AusarAmenRa wrote:Hotep AztecRed: I agree… However allow me to explain myself. First let me say thank you for your post. I am all about revolution but I first believe we must first revolutionize our way of thinking. As an African-American most of my people are Christians. Most of my people follow a book of others that have conquered them the same can be said about Islam as the founder of Islam has too conquered my people. I have seen the transformation of black people when they experienced Islam and the results are quicker opposed to traditional European education. European education does not allow the African to transform himself out of his collective stupor. It never allow him to successfully build a nation within a nation. It only allow him/her to fit in the society that is opposed to his collective growth. African Americans are into religion most are on the Martin Luther King level in having a dream. They rather dream or live in fantasy oppose to confront their collective reality. In comparison at least Islam deals with reality more than Christianity has to offer. Neither is the answer but if and I repeat if I was forced to choose of the two I would chose Islam mainly for it’s warrior spirit. I am a firm believer that one should not exit as they entered. I think it is good to experience these theories but not to dwell in those theories due to life is forever changing as we should. Both are evil in intent but like you said education is key. Christians need to embrace what they don’t understand this is a form of education. With this being said I would hope the people would see that religion is crime and racism. War or a form of civil war can not be avoided. Bloodshed is unavoidable. It is happening as we type. You spoke on Social Change well this is a form of revolution. It depends on greatly the state of mind of man and what he is willing to sacrifice the ultimate sacrifice life itself. He has to be made aware of the true definition of “what is Man”. Man: accepting responsibility; The mind that comes from the womb. Therefore our revolution relies chiefly on the state of mind of our Women. Women are the first vehicle that comes in contact with our children (future). She is key in our social change. I agree with you when you talk about education but education alone will not do it. We must have an educational agenda, Political agenda, Cultural agenda Economic agenda and an agenda in how our people will be defended. What are your thoughts? Hotep, Sun of Ra Heaven is at the foot of Mother…

I don't believe in the localization of education. There is no such thing as a European education. Knowledge is knowledge. Truth is blind. Why be forced to choose between Islam and Christianity? Why exchange shackles for another set of shackles? It would be more beneficial for the individual, to create their own personal system of beliefs.Creating a monolithic force of one  faith will not work because humans are individual by nature. No two of us are alike. A large monlithic group of individuals will lead to dissension within the ranks and ultimately lead to failure of the group. However an individualist group that supports every other person's right to individulaism will be more powerful, because not only will everyone respect one another, but if one persons individual values fail, the group will still remain.

Herd conformity (which is what Islam and Christianity is) is dangerous.It is dangerous to follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate you. Herd conformity breeeds laziness because you start to depend on the herd and the leader instead of yourself. Once we gain individual strength, we will gain strength as a group. However, if you just force everyone into the Islam mold, the group will only be as strong as the weakest member.


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