HE lives inside us, if we first accept HIM, then sanctify ourselves, allowing our bodies to be a living sacrifice unto HIM.

God is an entity outside of us as well, HE does not need us to exist

 

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

I understand that you have no idea of God, that is obvious, but you cannot lie to yourself that you are in control of your life. It IS that serious, your eternal life is at stake.

Yes! exactly my faith does not allow me to belong totally to myself, I'm free in Christ Jesus, and you are right again, I challenge anyone who comes against God, I debate with ones that may believe differently from me about God, for in that I can be enlighten and possibly enlighten someone else. But when one has the audacity to state "NO GOD"  they have a challenge on their hands.

Who am I to tell you, you've never done anything on your own? A child of God, go ask your mama, who birth you in this world? you didn't do that on your own son! who took care of your needs before you could? If it wasn't your mama, somebody did. Let's speak logically here.

And you correct again, the bible, inspired by God, is my backbone, and it gives me more courage then any misplace pride ever could. Our forefathers, assuming you are black, snatched away from their land were SMART enough to still look upward, to the gods they trusted in, to bring them out, if not them, but their seed, me and you son!.

I didn't bring the bible into it, because you are not ready for that debate, you first have to lay down self and understand, you are as a filthy rag, with the potential to be as gold.

 

 

 

 

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Haven't forgot about you Aztec, darling, same goes for you

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Fuget,

Ok lets talk for a second..cool? Alright, first why does God have to be called Him? What about the female aspect of cosmology?

The creator is a force/energy that is in everything and every where (Omni Presence). We have these same qualities just not in the same quantity (Omnipresence, Omnipotent,Omniscience).

1love4life!!!

Maaaaaaaan, fu** my eternal life! All that "You're gonna go here/there when you die" is FALSE if you have no proof. Serious question, did someone take you there? You see a video? Your "knowledge" of these places comes ONLY from the bible, not personal experience, so the only thing you have to go on is a book, as well as sermons heard over your lifetime, and that's proof???? LMAO! <-----------> As I said, I have total control over my life. And don't be stupid, you knew exactly what I meant. What infant can do for him/herself when they've just been snatched from the womb? Basic necessities, my mother HAD to provide me with, until I could start doing for myself. THINGS, that happened, I was in control of that. Not your god. <----------> I didn't come against your god, I said I have no concept of him, am without belief because of this, as well as asked for proof of his being real. Where is the "coming against" at? Because I'm asking questions? Oh, okay, whatever you say. Awfully defensive for no reason. <------------> If you're trying to enlighten and help me understand, you're doing a piss poor job. You're coming off condescending to say the least. Real, "Christ-like"........you should be proud. <----------> Be clear, slaves were FORCED to accept Christianity, they didn't choose it. So, what about those who still have no concept of the Christian god and worship their own tribal god? Oh yeah, that's right, according to the "good book", they'll perish. Sounds, fun.........*shaking head* <-----------> As I siad, step it up, I'm no slouch on the bebate tip.......that's real.

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You can refer to me as TheAgnosticAtheist.

cool... God for me, is my Father,  The Old Testament reveals God in diverse manners, by manifesting his nature, character, and dominions. The Gospels in the New Testament give us knowledge of God the "Father" or "My Father", showing the relationship of God to Jesus as Father, or representing Him as the Father in the Godhead.

(Now you have to understand that I am a Christian, and I do reverence Jesus, as God in the flesh,  as my savior)

We do not have the characteristics of omnipresence, being everywhere, omnipotent, having unlimited power, or omniscient, knowing all things

We have access to these through God, but they are not ours. I don't believe in negative or positive forces.

I believe in good and evil spiritual enitities.

I am blessed and highly favored to be Adam, the life giving one(wo/man) mankind with a womb, and the ability to give life.

The earth is also considered in the female aspect, it gives life, as well as the church and grace

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

well, since you count yourself good on BEbate (whatever, lol)

did you notice that I stated they (our forefathers) did not give up hope that their gods(lil G) to include the concept of their tribal religions?

we are talking in reference to believing that a Supreme Being exist (not the bible, which I do believe in, interpreted CORRECTLY)

and please understand, not on defense, you could do nothing to evoke that emotion in me, I am at peace and totally convinced in my convictions. I really love the conversation.

 

Aztec, where are YOU!?

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Fuget,

Ok l;ets work from where you are now. If there is a Father, wher is the mother. Last time I checked Men could not have children? Where is the feminine aspect?

I will provide you with one example of how we are Omni Potent. We have what is known as will. With this will we have been blessed with the power to create. I can go into detail with every one of these aspects to help you overstand my points. You see that is a fundamental flaw that is not being taught, if you dont know you have these powers you are greatly disadvantage and you will have to begin to ask the question why? When you say something is not ours, that is not true queen. Because everything is all one, there is nothing seperate.

You notice you mention Adam, but adam comes into the picture with a group known as the Hyksos people, you call them Jews. Have you studied the origins of your religion? Have you gone back and see where the stories where stolen from? Please Know that this is only a conversation and Im not trying to attack your belief, we are only talking.

Also I understand the earth is consdired the female aspect, where does it say that in the bible?

1love

Oh wow, a (b) instead of a (d). I'm sorry, let me correct that, DEbate. Don't blame me, blame Sharp for making the keyboard on this SKLX so small. <-----------> Funny, you didn't really address the questions posed your way. You'll have to teach me that STRAY AWAY technique. Niiiiiiiiice!

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You can refer to me as TheAgnosticAtheist.

Don't worry about it, you will get plenty of opportunities to correct me, lol, I will address yours and Bros. issues, at work, will be back

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Great! you are getting at the topic of my question, why ones try everything but God?, it's because they feel like they are "god" of their lives, and history has proven over and over that we don't have a clue. That is why things are so messed up. Even if the powers you described were invested in just one human walking on earth, wouldn't that individual be able to help the condition? and will it to be? create it, we as of yet don't know how.

We do have a will, the God I serve gave it to me, to be able to choose HIS love, and we are dying daily from ourselves into the beings that you are describing. There is a difference in good in evil, they are not one.

The earth produces life therefore is feminine:

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

and also in

James 5:18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

 

Although Josephus thought that the word Hyksos was derived from the words 'Hyk' - 'king' and 'sos' - 'shepherd', thus meaning 'Shepherd kings', we now know that 'Hyksos' is derived from the Egyptian words 'hekau' - rulers.

The Egyptians had used the term since the Middle Kingdom to describe the nomadic chieftains on their north-eastern border."

I have studied the origins of my Christian faith, when I gave my life to God, my beliefs were first for me to scrutinize, for my belief in a God, was not enough, I had a desire to serve the ONE and ONLY GOD.

Our people were the first Christians on earth.

 

 

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Now AHole, please don't mistake my confidence for conceit, I am not trying to be condescending, but as a child of God, a king, I understand how atheist tend to feel threaten and put down. Not the case, I'v been where you are at, ask the same questions.

It was when I realized that my existence was not an accident, and I had a purpose, as every individual does in this life, and started looking upward and not just looking at what I had control over , I found power. 

And when I lined my will up with God's will for my life, Ohhhhh, deliverance from people came, and just can't touch this. (my mind)

Being Christ-like does not equate with docile, we are bold laced with meekness.

I want you to understand no one can force you or nor could they have forced our forefathers to accept Christianity. It is a thing one must do in their hearts. Man has no control over what happens in ones heart.

Our forefathers were the first Christians on this earth, not called that, for the term had not been coin yet, but they were the shepherds in the fields that the angels announce Jesus' coming to.  

You seem like an intelligent young man, you will be alright! but look for something stronger, wiser, than yourself, something eternal

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Unfortunately Fuget you did not answer any of my questions. But its cool I expected those responses. In regards to the Hyksos, you must have just done an internet search on them I see. Its cool though...

My offer still stands I would emplore you to read through the threads that have been posted. I have had this discussion with some serious Christians and since then the Meet the Faith spot has been silent. You dont have to take my word for it just look at the post.

You will need to do more research and see what has been said then we can discuss from that point. But right now you highlighted one word that said "her" as you validation and I think you might not understand what I mean when I say that the femine principle is not represented in the COSMOLOGICAL process.

1love4life!!!

See, that's where you're wrong. But, it's my job to school you, and damnit, that's what I'm going to do......step, by step. <-----------> I'm no atheist, although my "without" belief statement seems to make you believe that. More often than not, when a person says they don't believe, they're AUTOMATICALLY coined an atheist. <---------> Ready for your lesson? Good, let's begin. "A", the prefix, means "without". You, the believer, would be a theist, or, "one who believes in a god or gods". I am agnostic, as my name CLEARLY shows, and agnosticism refers to, read carefully, "the impossibilty of knowledge in regards to a god(s)/supernatural being". <-------------> So, because we as humans cannot think outside the natural world, it is impossible for us to know what really exists, if in fact there is an entity out there. <------------> Still with me? Good. Because I have no knowledge of what is impossible to understand, I am without belief, hence, I am an Agnostic Atheist. Let us be clear, there are MANY forms of atheism. I simply said that I am without belief, so don't coin me off as your typical atheist. UNDERSTAND my position before you assume. <-----------> LESSON OVER!

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You can refer to me as TheAgnosticAtheist.

one question I want you as an agnostic to answer for me

intuition- the DIRECT knowledge or awareness of something without conscious attention or reasoning.

expound upon intuition, please?

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton