First, the Jesus I served born of a virgin, was not born on Dec. 25th, the time of the census was during the Feast of the Tabernacles, Jesus was born the 1st day of the Feast of the Tabernacles in the month of September. This explains why there was no room at the inn for Joseph and Mary. A multitude of Jewish pilgrims from all over the Middle East had come to Jerusalem to observe the Feast as God required (Deu. 16:16). Bethlehem, which was only a few miles outside of Jerusalem, was also overflowing with visitors at this time because of the Feast. Government was just being prudent by also setting the census at a time that they knew the people would be coming anyway. Second, yes I'm alright with the calculation of his death at 33 but we do not know for sure the exact age of Jesus when He was crucified. Jesus was baptized. But the reason He was baptized was to fulfill the legal requirements for entering into the priesthood after the order of Melchizedek. To be consecrated as a priest, Jesus had to be close to 30 years old, Num. 4:3,beginning His earthly ministry at the age of 30. and it going on 3 1/2 years before Jesus was crucified, it is safe to say that He was 33 at the time of His death. thirdly -the belief that the crucifixion of gods was prevalent in various oriental or heathen countries long prior to the reported crucifixion of Christ being established does not take away the fact that Christ is the Son of The True and Living God. It proves only that there are tales of others before Christ that were crucified. The two thieves with Christ even point to the fact that many were crucified. I would like to point out as well that there is a vast difference between being anointed in oils and wrapped in linens as Jesus was and being mumified as Osiris was. It is a ritual process, were the internal organs are removed and the body dried out and restuffed with sweet smelling aromatics and rags.

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Fugett,

Ok lets talk about what you just posted if thats cool? Again no disrespect we are just exchanging ideas...You mentioned Jesus was born of a virgin. Well Again Queen all of 15 Saviors before Jesus (Zeus) were born of Virgins(there are no coincidences in life). The first Savior was Afrikan and told about in our ancient stories thousands of years before Jesus, if you choose to Ignore this then this is on you, but the facts will always remain. I notice you won't speak to this point in regards to why this is so, I am not trying to put you on the spot, just going by our conversations? If you understand the significance of Dec 25th then you will overstand why the birth of all the saviors was on this day. I can also invaluidate claims of JC birth on Dec 25th because of certain cycles the shepards followed (Many old scholars have said his birth was in Jan and that is the reason for the 12 days of christmas song, because they pushed the his Birth date back 12 days). But thats rather irrelavant when it comes to the Spiritual signifacance of Dec 25th. If you do not undertsand what I am talking about in relation to this day you can ask or study a past post. You also may need to begin to research what the travelers who came to visit Jesus Truely represent (esoterically). You see you have learned an exoteric story and have no clue about the esoteric wisdom behind the story. That is the fundametal problem with how the bible is being taught. You see I am not saying not to use the bible, its just we are taking it literally and the writters understand that, and that was their intent, to hide the True Wisdom of the writings. For example there are leters ascribed to numbers that give you a totally different meaning of certain words in the bible.

Again I understand YOU are Alright with the claculation of Jesus Death but you dont have a clue why his death is at 33 and so are the other 15(You need to innerstand this Queen for you and your seeds). You dont understand why Masons use the number 33 as their highest level in Masonry. You see Queen its not your fault but this thing goes very deep. I have read sevral 100 versions of the bible to uncover the things they dont want our people to uncover (I promise you this).  You mentioned Baptism, all 15 of the savior before Christ were also baptized(There is so much estoteric wisdom to why this is so).

You mentioned crucifixtion in other cultures. well I will give you a little of where I am coming from as far as esoterism and the crucification. You see we have a gland inside our heads that is the connector to the Creator. On Both sides of the gland are a right side of the brain and the left side of the brain. And in the middle sits the Karest or the Christ. These two sides are also known as the Ida and the Pingala.

In regards to the vast difference in being mumified and wrapped in linen. No disrespect Queen, but I have studied this very deepely and being wrapped in linen was a form of mumification during that time. There are several refferences and resources that validate this fact in detail. I am just giving you very breif points, however we could potentially stay on any topic you like and do alot more analysis on for your benifit. Again I have covered this in previous post.

Queen please understand I am not trying to hurt your beliefs but we have been kept IGNORant for far to long and its time we begin to wake up. The purpose is for you to begin to do your own reseasrch. If you havent studied Dr. Ben I suggest you read his book Afrikan origin of major Western Religion. I suggest you read Dr. John Henry Clark, I suggest you read Chanceler Williams.

What you are practicing is a re-written version of Ancient Kemetic Spirituality. This is fact and not my opinion. You can ask me anything and we can talk about it. Ever wonder why you say Amen at the end of prayers?

1love4life!!!

Good discussion, my bro. will get back with you this evening after work. Have a good day

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Hello Brother, I understand that there is a ministry in numbers, you refer to the number 33, or the "Master Number"? I think? Numerology has found many instances where this number is referenced to by many religons. In the cult Masonry the highest degree is 33, this is one I know off the top of my head, I know there are many. You have to realize that many religons have counterfeited what was already set in place. That is why I am not fond of Ecumenical ties. I'm not saying of course that Christianity was first, but the foundation of it was. Our father Abraham enter the picture around 1700 B.C proclaiming that there was only one true God and all the others would have to go. He was not speaking that there were no other religions but that they were counterfeits of what the truth was. Judaism didn't really get started until Moses led the Hebrews out of bondage from Egypt. The Hebrews he led out of Egypt were not as the Jews you see depicted in the media today. They were people of color. Egypt is on the continent of Africa, Africa is a Eurocentric name given to that continent, Africa was Eden the home of Edenites. The maps of today have been alter to minimize the significance of the continent of Africa/Eden. The first Christians were not Christians at all but Palestinain Jews who, smitten with Jesus of Nazareth's gospel of salvation and about universal love. There is only one True God and the only way to HIM is through Jesus, when we allow ourselves to be open to every wind and doctrine we become unstable. I see traces of so many theologies in your posts, it is good to be in the knowledge, but it is not good to eat from so many tables, you could get food poison.

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Peace Queen,

 

Ok good lets discuss. First before I dive in, you stated that you notice I am coming from many different perspectives as far as religion is concerned...Im glad you said this because all so called religions originate from the kemetic/Nubian Spiritual system. So that is why you are notcing these things. Anything I talk about I can relate to Predynastic Kemet.  You see Queen you mentioned where you have heard the # 33 but you still have not discussed its relevance and why its in your bible, let me ask you this do you know the symbolism of why they chose the Number 33 for JC death age?

 

The person named Abraham was a member of the Hyksos People, he arrived in 1675 BC. During this time Tutmose III was in charge. Their are documents talking about the arrival of these people who brought nothing to civilization. They came in and stole our Knowledge and used it for themselves to give their people a foundation for being the chosen ones.  I have Facts to back this up Queen. I am not just holding an opinionated conversation. However I believe we need to talk about things from this standpoint. I cannot except your story of Moses leading people out of Egypt. The formost Historian during the time has no record of this Exodus, and there are no pictures in the tombs and no writtin writings of this any where in the world. Now come on Queen.... Fortunately I understand the hidden deeper meaning behind the story and I would emplore you to learn this as well, for anything else you are missing some very valuable things.. For you to ezcept that story, you are going against the very Afrikan people that were raped, murdered, and had all their knowledge stolen, burned and re-written for another people. In my head I cant see how this is hard to grasp given many Black scholars have covered this area. Moses was based of Aknoten. And again Queen I thought we talked about why they tell you your people worshiped multiple gods. This was not the case. Let me ask you do you truely believe your Afrikan Anscestors worshiped Many gods? If you do Queen we can talk about that because it is a fact that they did not, and they are only using this to confuse you and Keep you away from your True self.

 

U stated the first Christians Were Palestine Jews. You see Queen this tells me you have not truely studied your History, because this is False, however i can not do all your research for you. I emplore you to read the suggested peoples works I have provided, what do you have to lose? I have read several 100 versions of the bible. So would it hurt to read Afrikan Origins of Major western Religions. I mean we owe it to Dr. Ben who is one of our great scholars. He devoted his life to reading more than 30,000 books and doing the reasearch Negros will not do today.

 

Towards the end of your post you only go into what you have been trained to do, so I will not comment on that aspect. Queen you have much to learn and not saying I am the one to teach you but if you like we can at least begin to talk about some Facts and you can move in any direction you would like to after that. If you have time listen to the 24 hr broad cast on WBLR.com and read this Brothas Bio, in fact check out the whole page for your benefit.

 

1Love4life!!!

Hello My Brother

I want to start our study with a question to you, and I promise I will connect it to what we are speaking on, define to me your basis of the Trinity, if it is in your belief system, and if it's not, why you do not recognize it's authority?

Again I will link this to all we are speaking on, for this is the beginning

 

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Queen Fugett,

 

I thought this was a great question.  There are several parts to this question that I could speak to but I will try to keep it to a spiritual level.  We have the same qualities of the creator just not the same quantity. So we have a Omnipresence, which would be correlated to all Afrikan people having what is known as a Soul. This is what seeks expression in all of us, but through the programs and our training the Soul is held back everytime.  Next we have the quality of Omniscience, this is correlated to the divine intellgence we have inside our bodies.  I could go deeper but lets leave it at that for now.  Next we have Omnipotence, which is correlated to being able to manifest from the unseen to the seen, the things that we will to happen. This would be my first example of a Trinity.

 

We believe in giving the science behind what we are talking about so there are three organs in the body that also form a Trinity. 

 

Then in our Ancient stories we always used the concept of Father, Mother, and Child (This relates spiritualy as well).

 

The neuber 3 also represents completion = Knowledge, Wisdom, Understanding

 

This is just the beggining, but I am interested in hearing your thoughts.

 

1Love4life!!!

I agree that we are triune beings as the Creator, for we are HIS children, those of us that have accepted HIS son, and are walking in HIS will. Those that have not accepted HIS son are like their father. HE is ONE, eternally existant in three persons, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. In accepting HIS will we are of God, and when we accept HIS son we are with God and the Comforter lives within us, therefore making us triune beings as our Father. HIS characteristics we have, as you said, just not the same quantity. will be back

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Queen Fugett,

 

I have heard that same explanation before, and I appreciate your re iterration. But this explanation doesn't work well for the queens that are conscious. Because they play a much bigger role than the Europeon conquerers who wrote this aspect in the bible.  You see my queen they hated you the black women, so they wrote you out forreal.  I will not go into much detail but history shows the proccess of how this was done.  Im not sure about Jesus and accepting him and such. My queen maybe I can introduce you to the original Jesus, his name was Heru, which is where we get Hero.  My queen are anscestors had no concept of sin, no jails, no rape, no lying and things such as this.  I would like to get pass some of these exoteric things because this keeps us at a very remedial level. However I will do what it takes and have as much patience as the elders had with me. Nuff respect again Queen.

 

I emplore you to innerstand my post.  I emplore you to learn more about the 3 times black mother, who is the real trinity. U see queen by blindly excpeting what is given to us, we ultimately miss so much more.  I know because I was in that same position.  If you have not checked out the site I reccomended then you have not read the brothas story who was a major pastor in this country who later found the Truth.  I can only present the information its up to you to do the research my queen in all due repsect...Everything happens for a reason...

 

1Love4life!!!

Bro. you assume that because I have faith in the God head expressed from a masculine viewpoint that I downplay the importance of the feminine attributes of God's Holy realm, and that is wrong.

 

The church is fashioned as a women,  we are waiting on our bridegroom, grace is fashioned as women, because grace gives life,  I am Adam the life giving one, we as women have never been subordinates to man, man sinned, woman was decieved.

 

The research  you speak of has been done,  Jesus has many names, but HE must not be assimilated into paganist ideology.

 

Heru the Egyptian Kemetic, God, is not Jesus, the Son of Yahweh,

 

The holy family triad of Ausar and Auset is not esoteric knowledge, it is a pagan belief, see my bro. just because there are us who do not believe in Heru, (believe as in his power, for I definitely believe that he is an entity,)  it is not because we are out of any privileged knowledge, it is because we are in the knowledge of the True and Living God, we choose to be seperate from those things that are not of HIM.

 

 

will be back

 

 

 

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Peace Sistah,

 

Sistah I find it hard to digest why anyone would subscribe to a God Head expressed from a masculine view point? Can you explain why you do this and then have a different understanding from within? Why wouldn’t you embrace something older and explains the meanings upfront?

 

How is the church fashioned as a woman? At this point I would like for you to show me where that knowledge is shared.  Where does it say grace is fashioned as a women (Please don’t take this as sarcascism, as I am truly curious to hear this aspect as it relates in the bible). 

 

 Next you discussed Adam. Did you know Adam was STOLEN from your Afrikan Anscestors who called Him Atum, which correlates to Atom (the chemical building block of life).  I hope you overstand that your anscestors had this knowledge of science thousands of years before any mention of a Adam.  And we are just learning more about this in the science world today, that we knew 100’s of thousands of years ago.  I don’t think you feeling me yet.  You see my queen  we may have to take this one step at a time and thats fine, because thats what im here for.  Lets look at this from the standpoint of history (Timeline).  Scholars date the story of Adam and Eve back 6,000-7,000 years at the latest.  During this time period my Sister we had a full civilization flourishing.  Do you see the disconect.  My queen at one time the tectonic plates were all connected.  There are Heiroglyphs in the grand canyons that date back to predynastic times.  These show our spiritual base in detail-There are caverns in the grand canyon that were named after Ausar, Auset, etc. There were mumies found in the caverns (I have the proof if you would like it for your own edification).  I am trying to paint a picture for you. 

 

There was No concept of SIN. Sin is simply a lack of Wisdom. We innerstood that the body has heaven and hell inside of it. Hence the word INDIVIDUAL (Indi-visible + Dual---Queen this represents the duality of the two natures within).

 

Queen the research I speak of has not been done and it is evident, but that ok---Its called your circle of awarness. I am asking you not to take these words and apply negative emotions to them. I am having this conversation out of pure love. But the ego is very powerful at times.

 

The discussion of Ya-Weh is another topic.  Maybe we should save that because the name ties back to our ancient spiritual system.  And my intent is not to overwhelm you.

 

You said the Holy Family of Ausar, Auset, and Heru is not Esoteric Knowledge??? My Queen, I would ask you what elder have you studied with to break down the esoteric wisdom of the story. What elder has explained to you why the symbols from this story are on your dollar bill, and the biggest monument in WashingtonDC.  Why the concepts of that story are directly attributed to the story of Christ?  I have recommended you read my post to see these correlations. If you have not its ok because we can talk about them.  What is your definition of Pagan. Do you know the origin of the word? When it came into existence? Why?  Lastly Queen Heru is not an entity.  This is your Story and you will not except it.  You need to understand your people wrote this story.  Your people did not write the stories in the bible queen.  They were manufactured as a result of certain Councils.  Have you studied these councils? Have you read there transcripts. Have you studied the early black Christians before the concept of Christ was stolen, that fought to keep the knowledge related to their Egyptian (kemetic) spiritual base?  I am asking these questions because I have done the work that other will not due. I have read dr. Ben who has documented these things in detail.  If you have read these things please lets talk about them, because history and facts don’t lie.

 

 

1Love4life!!!

 

 

Rasun

2 Timothy 4:3-4

 

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.  Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 

First I dont dont deal in desires. This scripture is false it uses the term "their Own desires". My creator does not operate on desire my friend (In case you didnt notice that what the scripture is incorrectly implying---85ers are funny because they continue to try and give the Creator human qualities---They will be back again unfortunately to learn what they had a chance to when they had the chance to).

 

This scripture is reffering to you....You have turned to the biggest stolen myth...And are afraid to hear and research Truth.  In out last discussion I recall you not being able to respond...

 

Oh Ok....back to my original conversation, no disrespect....

 

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I will address each of your questions Bro. thechurch biblically is address as a woman

 

Eph 3:21 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Jms 1:4 But let patience have [her] perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

 

Jms 5:18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth [her] fruit.

 

Brother, anything that produces fruit or gives life is in the feminine, the church gives life to grace, patience, joy, longsufferin... all of these entities produce life.

 

will be back on Adonah/Adam

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Titus 3:9

 

Avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

 

2 Timothy 2:23

 

Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.