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"according to the bible mankind is about what 6000 years old...do you believe this, when scientists have found (  concrete evidence ) human bones that dated back to millions of years...."

i said i don't believe the timespan theologians apply to human history, so no i don't believe that mankind is 6000 years old.  as far as the bible being contradictory, in some parts of the bible God is vengeful when--despite his warnings, signs and messengers of His word--people ignore Him and His wishes.  that's when the bible shows His wrath.  until then, God is merciful.  but God is called Father for a reason.  he is the Father of us all, and like any parent with unruly and disobedient children, eventually that patience reaches its limit.  u can only disobey a parent for so long before they punish u, and i believe God is no different. 

as far as the cheating goes, in a logical world, it wouldn't make a difference if a person cheated with a person of the opposite sex or the same sex.  but as people, we have emotions, and when it comes to relationships, the pain of infidelity is an emotion, not a product of logic.  ask any woman who's been cheated on if it would be worse if their man had cheated with another man.  i've seen this.  the emotional impact is much worse when this happens.  cheating hurts regardless, but u can't deny that there's no emotional difference in a down-low situation.

 

Why does god make people he has to punish? If I were an all powerful, all perfect god, I would not have the ability to create humans that are capable of bad behavior.

 

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if u DIDN'T have the ability to create people with bad behavior, then u wouldn't be an all-powerful god. 

God gave us free will.  we can either choose to abide by His rules of compassion, respect and morality (which is simply knowing right from wrong) OR we can choose to be selfish and give into the worst aspects of our natures.  we make that choice

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if u DIDN'T have the ability to create people with bad behavior, then u wouldn't be an all-powerful god. 

God gave us free will.  we can either choose to abide by His rules of compassion, respect and morality (which is simply knowing right from wrong) OR we can choose to be selfish and give into the worst aspects of our natures.  we make that choice

I find it funny when people say what you've just said. 

Put yourself in your god's shoes.....if you had the ability to create something, why would you create something that will ultimately be worse off than what you started with?  Does that LOGICALLY make any sense to you? 

You (know) people will kill, yet you still create them.  You know people will damn your name and NEVER come to you, yet you create them.  The bad prosper, the good suffer, yet you allow it to happen and say, "Oh, just believe in me and all is well." 

WTF?!?!?!?!?!??!

That's not just and all loving, that's asinine and absurd. 

 

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 black_optimus wrote:

if u DIDN'T have the ability to create people with bad behavior, then u wouldn't be an all-powerful god. 

God gave us free will.  we can either choose to abide by His rules of compassion, respect and morality (which is simply knowing right from wrong) OR we can choose to be selfish and give into the worst aspects of our natures.  we make that choice

So basically god is all-powerful, but imperfect (since he can create people with bad behavior), and possibly evil (since he is all powerful, but does nothing to fix his errors). He gives us human nature and then punishes us for being human. I maintain that god is either a retard or a sadist.

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"So basically god is all-powerful, but imperfect (since he can create people with bad behavior), and possibly evil (since he is all powerful, but does nothing to fix his errors). He gives us human nature and then punishes us for being human. I maintain that god is either a retard or a sadist."

just because God made us with flaws doesn't mean He's imperfect...that doesn't even make sense.  God also doesn't make mistakes.  just because we may not like the things that happen to us, or understand why they happen, doesn't mean it's a mistake.  it just means we don't understand why they happen.  God doesn't punish us for being human, He punishes us for doing wrong when we know what's right.  that only makes sense.  wouldn't u punish ur children for doing wrong after you've repeatedly told them not to do something?

 black_optimus wrote:just because God made us with flaws doesn't mean He's imperfect...that doesn't even make sense.  God also doesn't make mistakes.  just because we may not like the things that happen to us, or understand why they happen, doesn't mean it's a mistake.  it just means we don't understand why they happen.  God doesn't punish us for being human, He punishes us for doing wrong when we know what's right.  that only makes sense.  wouldn't u punish ur children for doing wrong after you've repeatedly told them not to do something?

Perfection does not beget imperfection. If I take a diamond and cut a piece from it, the piece does not turn into coal. It's quality is just as good as the piece it was cut from. And if god were perfect, he would have no need to create beings of any sort. He'd be content with his perfection.

If god's actions go against logic, that means god is illogical. He's mad man playing god, not a real god. Real gods are perfect and perfection is logical.

All of god's so-called rules go against human nature. God has no right to make rules against me. Did you vote on any rules? I sure didn't. He didn't ask me my opinion. I'm not a child either. I'm a grown adult, thus god has no rightful power over me, nor does he have a right to punish me.

Now god is a bored, imperfect, perhaps evil retard or sadist. And he's a lunatic totalitarian dictator to boot. We got rid of Hitler and Saddam for less crimes. The blood on their hands is but a drop in the bucket compared to the blood on god's hands. So when are we going to get rid of god and his regime of terror?

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I believe what everyone fail to remember is the world we live in today was once perfect until Adam and Eve disobey god. When you're disobedient, there are consequences. God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit from that particular tree but did it anyway which brought upon the sin we live in today. If god contradicted himself then he would've went back on his word and gave them a second chance but he didn't. By us being born in sin, we are subject to all kinds of evil, pain, liers, dysfunctions, etc. That was the curse brought upon us when Adam and Eve didn't take heed to what god told them. With that said god has givin us the freewill to either serve him or not. Weather you believe or disbelieve that is your personal option. Even after we continue disobeing him each and every day, he forgives us. Everything that is happenin today is suppose to happen and he's not going back on none of that. (Most of us don't even notice the changes). The same people on here calling god dumb really need to check themselves. Don't let your ignorance or arrogance get yourself in trouble. We as people think god is suppose to explain every little thing he does, he doesn't need too. All he ask of us is to serve him and live like a decent human being and most of us are doing neither. And we wonder why god is angry. You would be angry or disappointed if your child didn't listen either. It's the same scenario.

Well I've only been to a Christian church twice because there are so many hypocrites, liars and judgemental fools. The churches I've been to have bashed homosexuality and I've walked out on those services because most of the people I've grown up around are gay. And for me to sit there and listen to some man make these hateful statements when he is supposed to be non-judgemental makes me so angry. Who lives by the word of God anymore? Most people in America don't so that makes a lot of people who go to church hypocritical. I can't stand Christianity for that reason. I've tried to keep an open mind about that religion but it confuses and angers me to no end.

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.

"And for me to sit there and listen to some man make these hateful statements when he is supposed to be non-judgemental makes me so angry. Who lives by the word of God anymore? Most people in America don't so that makes a lot of people who go to church hypocritical. I can't stand Christianity for that reason. I've tried to keep an open mind about that religion but it confuses and angers me to no end. "

don't let the hateful statements of people dissuade u from learning about something ur interested in.  read the bible for urself.  i've yet to read in the bible where it says "hate the homosexual", so if that's the message the preacher was sending then he/she had definitely gone off course.  christianity teaches love.  the bible teaches that the sin is bad, but the sinner is redeemable.  anyone who preaches that "all gays are goin' to hay-ull" is missing that point.

just a thought...

I am not a religious person but I have read the bible in my life and it says that a man sleeping with a man is an abomination (  Leviticus 18: 22, read all of Leviticus ) and in 2 peter there are talks of destroying the land of Sodome and Gommorah. Read:

1 corinthinas 6:9-10, Jude 6-7, and Romans 1:18

..There are stories all through out the bible of homosexuality and talks about how it is a vile abomination unto the lord. So if you are a Christian and believe and read the bible, then you should not condone homosexuality....Personal, I am not a christian, nor do I belong to any other religious groups, but some of the stories in the bible give lessons on basic common sense and how to live your life. I think procreation is natural, and it is made possible by a man and a woman, and the fact that you can not create life through the act of homosexuality.....makes it,  UNNATURAL and should not be practiced. And that is just common sense, you dont have to be christian or muslim to know this basic fact. Homosexuality in my opinion is a form of mental illness or some sort of chemical imbalance in the brain

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"I think procreation is natural, and it is made possible by a man and a woman, and the fact that you can not create life through the act of homosexuality.....makes it,  UNNATURAL and should not be practiced. And that is just common sense, you dont have to be christian or muslim to know this basic fact. Homosexuality in my opinion is a form of mental illness or some sort of chemical imbalance in the brain "

in the words of the esteemed lyrical and poetic genius christopher "ludacris" bridges..."well, dude, uh, there u have it."

before anybody jumps on me (cuz i KNOW it's going to happen...), i'm NOT saying that homosexual PEOPLE are unnatural.  i'm agreeing with the statement that homosexual SEX is unnatural, as in that type of sex cannot fulfill the the biological goal of sexual intercourse--to produce offspring.  this is from a purely scientific, naturalist standpoint. take religion, spirituality and morality out of it for a second.  anything that hinders a species from procreating naturally is contrary to the natural order, except as a means of population control.  homosexual sex goes against natural laws because it prevents a species from producing offspring.  thus, even from a scientific perspective, it's an aberrant condition.

if i've offended anyone, i apologize.  but that's the cold logic of it.  and yes, i do have gay/bisexual friends and cousins.  yes, they know my opinions.  it has cost me a couple of friends, but science is science, and u can't argue with that.  but i'm still cool with some and me and my gay (female) cousin get along just fine.  as i said, the sin is bad, but the sinner is redeemable.  if 2 consenting adults want to engage in that, that's on them.  they have to answer for their lives in the end.  best i can do is impart my advice, concern, best wishes and move on. 

"And for me to sit there and listen to some man make these hateful statements when he is supposed to be non-judgemental makes me so angry. Who lives by the word of God anymore? Most people in America don't so that makes a lot of people who go to church hypocritical. I can't stand Christianity for that reason. I've tried to keep an open mind about that religion but it confuses and angers me to no end. "

don't let the hateful statements of people dissuade u from learning about something ur interested in.  read the bible for urself.  i've yet to read in the bible where it says "hate the homosexual", so if that's the message the preacher was sending then he/she had definitely gone off course.  christianity teaches love.  the bible teaches that the sin is bad, but the sinner is redeemable.  anyone who preaches that "all gays are goin' to hay-ull" is missing that point.

just a thought...

 

I don't see how Christianity teaches love. Where does it teach love? I'm supposed to fear God, not love him right? I can't love someone I fear. And I have read the Bible but it doesn't agree with my lifestyle and the people that are in my life. I suppose I'm just not meant to be a Christian. It would be hypocritical of me to go to church when I don't agree with the beliefs around that religion.

 

 

 

 

 

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.

I know for a fact that homosexuals mainly keep their behavior secret especially in church because it's not natural and it's a sin.  Read Lev. 20:13 it says... "If a man lies with another man as he does with a woman, he shall be put to death.  This death is after judgement day where that peson will enter eternity in hell!  God created man in his image then wasn't satisfied with leaving the man alone so he created a woman for him, not another man!