Fugett,

I share your sentiments in your calling. If after you have done some adequate research on the other threads and you have some questions, lets discuss them. Maintain Family!

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Never understood why people think words written are the answers to the problems of today and in their lives. Makes no sense whatsoever. <---------------> Furthermore, who said, to you directly, these words were inspired by god......whoever/whatever that is? <------------------> Faith isn't proof by the way........

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It's not just the words written in the book, it's when you put the formula written in the book to the test and your natural eyes see it work.

This impresses on the heart, that the words were inspired of God, for man cannot work miracles in our lives.

Faith acted on and answered is proof, that no one can disspell to the individual that received the blessing from it.

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

You do understand that "were" and "are" are two totally different words, correct? &lt;-------------&gt; The whole concept of a god answering prayers, etc, etc is absurd to say the least. That defeats the whole premise of a god creating a world, and people in it for a "purpose".

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Yes I do,

were - 2nd person singular, past plural of "to be"

are - the 1st, 2nd and 3rd person plural of "to be"

now that, that is out of the way 

 

"The whole concept of a god answering prayers, etc, etc is absurd to say the least. That defeats the whole premise of a god creating a world, and people in it for a "purpose"

 

explain this to me!!! this should be quite amusing

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

What exactly needs to be explained? Are you looking for some lengthy dissertation or something? I thought I was very clear........

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 fugett wrote:

Quite frankly Aztec, if you told me any of those false gods talked to you, I would not be surprised. My belief is that they are depictions or remants of  FALSE gods not that they are not real. For if I believe in my God, I have to believe that evil exists in many forms as well, because HIS inspired word says so.

 

What makes you so sure your god is not simply another false god? What makes you sure your god is not evil? In the bible alone, your god killed 2.6 million people. That puts your god up there with Hitler on the evil scale.

 

Of course the stories are going to be similar in each culture, because truth is truth, and each culture will tell it from their perspective, just as disciples in the bible tell different accounts of Jesus' birth and crucifixation.

 

The stories aren't just similar. Christianity is nothing more than the theft of stories, myths, and rituals that predate christianity by thousands of years. That's like me taking Alice in Wonderland, changing the names of the characters, and calling it my own. It's plain thievery.

 

We will not discuss the bible because that is irrelevant at this point in your progression. Tell me what, if you please, is divine in your life? what or who do you have faith in, and thank you for the conservation, your mentality is quite interesting to me.

 

 

There is no such thing as divinity. In order for something to be divine, gods must exist. Since god don't exist, nothing is divine. I put my faith in myself, because my life began with me and it will end with me.

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 fugett wrote:

It's not just the words written in the book, it's when you put the formula written in the book to the test and your natural eyes see it work.

You can use any book and get the exact same results. That's why there are so many religions. It doesn't matter what the book says. All that matters is the person reading it.

This impresses on the heart, that the words were inspired of God, for man cannot work miracles in our lives.

Faith acted on and answered is proof, that no one can disspell to the individual that received the blessing from it.

Faith that is acted on has nothing to do with a god. If you have to act on faith, it's not faith anymore. It's action. If what you had faith in were real, you wouldn't need to act on it.

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 fugett wrote:

Yes I do,

were - 2nd person singular, past plural of "to be"

are - the 1st, 2nd and 3rd person plural of "to be"

now that, that is out of the way 

 

"The whole concept of a god answering prayers, etc, etc is absurd to say the least. That defeats the whole premise of a god creating a world, and people in it for a "purpose"

 

explain this to me!!! this should be quite amusing

It is quite amusing. Prayer is a logical fallacy, because the people who pray are willing to accept any answer to their prayer, even if it's no answer at all. For example, you can pray to any or god or a jug of milk and get the exact same results.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI

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<BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>TheAgnosticAHole wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4">What exactly needs to be explained? Are you looking for some lengthy dissertation or something? I thought I was very clear........</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE> Lengthy dissertation? No! you stated answered prayers? goes against the concept of a divine God? You can believe what you like, HE gives you that choice as well. I choose to look at things more 1.logically; For all creations sake, the world or us did not come to be by accident 2. supernaturally; one with the power to create, would have the power to give to his creation.

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

Surely you're not telling me because I am without belief, I'm looking at things illogically.......are you? Surely not..... &lt;------------&gt; I just find it hard to fathom a god coming into play in people's lives when he put you here for a reason. &lt;------------&gt; That's a contradiction to me. If your life was mapped out to the "T", there is absolutely no reason to answer prayers, bless you, etc, etc. &lt;-----------&gt; Just because we can't say, without debate, the world and it's inhabitants didn't end up here by accident, doesn't give you the right to lay claim to YOUR god as the creator, and that be the end all be all. Nah, it doesn't work like that. &lt;----------&gt; For all you know, The Purple People Eaters could've created this whole thing, how would you know? As absurd as it sounds, there's always a "possibility". We weren't here to successfully say yes, or no, so just like your god, it's ALL speculation....NO CERTAINTY/PROOF.

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fascinating, that is incredible,(your mindset) and YES, your understanding is correct, it is not only illogical but a bit mentally disturbing, that one would not have a belief in SOMETHING! Belief is oneself is good character, but the human flesh is a fragile entity, you have never, I repeat never, done anything, ebonically NUTHIN!!! on your own. You can't open your mouth and promise another with a guaranty. You can promise an intent, but with man nothing is a guaranty. So yes, I believe in God (Yahweh) to be exact. I am passionate about it as well, and I am prayerful for those who feel that they are bout, bout enough to diss their existance from HIM, without an explanation of how they appear on this earth without HIM. Your Purple people eaters conversation is an appropriate description of your mentality, juvenile Grown folks know better that!

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You can't bring the truth in a wheelbarrel of lies
Al Sharpton

How can you say you choose to look at things logically? Belief in god creating the earth is about as logical as believing leprechauns place pots of gold at the ends of rainbows. And if you truly believe god has the power to give, then how do you explain the fact that a gallon jug of milk has the same amount of power?

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I am without belief because I don't have a concept of this entity you call god. I have no knowledge of this being, so why would I lie to myself just to be accepted by the believers? Nah b, it's not that serious. &lt;-------------&gt; Nothing I've said was illogical, you just fail to accept reason, so you dismiss a solid argument as nothing because your faith has you so wound up, you challenge anyone who thinks differently than you. &lt;----------------&gt; Be that as it may, I'll be mentally disturbed, that's cool, whatever you say b. &lt;-------------&gt; Who are you to tell me I've never done anything on my own? Oh, let me guess, for the last 26 years, you've had your telepathy honed in on my every move right? Miss me on that. I do EVERYTHING on my own, so YOU can attribute your all to your entity, I will not......nor will I ever. &lt;--------------&gt; How do you know your god put you here on this earth? He tell you that from his own mouth, or that little "faith" thing got you believing that? No, let me guess, the bible......your backbone. If you, personally, were not told of how you and the rest of us got here, you have absolutely no business telling me I am without explanation when you have no idea your damn self. I'm smart enough to say there is no way of saying, 100%, what that answer is. You on the other hand automatically give it to your god. &lt;--------------&gt; And no, the bible doesn't count. Step your debate game up b.

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You can refer to me as TheAgnosticAtheist.

The Creator is inside us all. The Energy/Forces that created the world reside in all of us.

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