Hip Hop Vs. America

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    09-25-2007, 9:39 PM
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Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)
well to start out im a what you would call a ( white ) american.. first thing we all need to stop doing is calling ourselves white and black americans.. people we are all just people now if we keep seperating ourselvs like that then the racist *73* will never stop.. i hate it when people say im a white american or im a black american .. no your not your an american thats it... let it go people let it go ..i let my childrem listen to rap even uncut stuff  because i feel like i have raised them good enpough to see whats wrong or right.. my kids are 11,8,4,and 3 years old .. all the parents out here that wanna blame music because of something there kids do are just putting the blame off on something else because they dont wanna take the blame of being a bad parent .. my 2 oldest sons are a,b honor roll kids in school public school at that and i dont shelter them from anything .is this a free country or not people we are acting like we want hitler to run this *73* ..do we ? if we dont want it like it was in thehitler days then we need to stop the *73* now.... this is supposed to be a free country ,,freedom of speach......there is so much more to be said but i dont think you really wanna hear it .... and i dont think it would do any good anyway........................................................................johnny
  
    09-25-2007, 9:43 PM
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Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)

Hip hop is not the blame for America problems. I feel hip hop is my motivation for going to purse my dreams. It was there when I need something musically to help me through tough times. For instance, Kanye, T.I., Tupac, Ludacris, Nelly and many more are examples of people who music have affect my life for the good. I am a black mechanical engineering student, and these people have helped me remain sane when course got extremely hard. They speak of issue but produce inspiration music. I am a pimp, pimping my brain instead of a person. If people would listen to the words and look for the deeper message our community would be better. We have to help our community rise if we want to change.

  
    09-25-2007, 9:46 PM
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Super Angry [8o|] Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)
 akaren50 wrote:

IM WITH T.I. AND NELLY ALL THE WAY! 

 

I also feel like it wasn't Hip Hop vs. America, because there were only black poeple on the stage. As T.I.P said, " We're only 20% of America!". Where are all of the whites, hispanics, asians, etc. whom have beef with this genre of music. Seems to me the only poeple that have a problem with the music are older black poeple that are concern with what other poeple think!

Dats Authentic!!! 


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    09-25-2007, 9:47 PM
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Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)

Dear sister I am replyin to a part of your post that said you cant make people do anything ......If you were to study our people you would know that not to be true. I can go back as far as the Pharoahs but I'll let you study that yourself...I'll go back as far as 2pac....watch his ressurection video....In there he states that he never had a record as in police record until he made a record.....In his first ..rather second video release"They got me trapped"  He talks of cops beating him to the concrete and cuffin him up......then watch as it happens.....A song is a powerful instrument of asking the spirit world to grant a person certain things...is what Im sayin....Look at ur life and ur songs....have you changed certain words on ur favorite songs and did those things happen to you.....Sometimes this happens with people they would make a song fit them and it would happen.....carefully watch the news and the poplular music and see if you can make a connection...our music is shaping the world....When hip hop first started it was all New York.......the sayin then was word up word is bond ....and most importantly....WORD IS LIFE................The sisters are justified in what they did if you look at it from that point...we have the power to change the world.........One last note.....In a early Ice Cube song he states that if the cops *8* over another *6* they" brothers and sisters in cali" would burn that *** *8*a up.....Rodney King happened and then what followed.......Again we  have the power to change the world if we awake in enuff time.............I gues I'll throw you one more.......Biggie we all love B.I.G right....His most popular hit.....started off ...It was all a dream...Listen to it.............Listen to where he says ...time to get paid blow up like the world trade......The world trade was bombed but it didnt blow up.......Well not until that wish was granted buy the spirit world to all that sang it......Jay - Z tries to tell people this in his song  "Was it all a Dream".....He cuts out one of bigs words...check it out......Rappers have more power than they know sweety...way more power

Peace & Blessings from the Pharoah......................Raghee Asad

  
    09-25-2007, 9:49 PM
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Big Smile [:D] Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)
 Ah_Thin_Tic wrote: akaren50 wrote:

IM WITH T.I. AND NELLY ALL THE WAY! 

 

I also feel like it wasn't Hip Hop vs. America, because there were only black poeple on the stage. As T.I.P said, " We're only 20% of America!". Where are all of the whites, hispanics, asians, etc. whom have beef with this genre of music. Seems to me the only poeple that have a problem with the music are older black poeple that are concern with what other poeple think!

Dats Authentic!!! 

 

It's Also 8:48 here in Memphis, TN


Dats Ah_Thin_Tic!!!
  
    09-25-2007, 9:51 PM
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Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)
I think the blame is being put on the wrong people...yea some of these artists say controversial stuff or what have you but in the end who's signing these checks they're getting the okay from somebody to put their cds out there...i dont see people boycotting the heads of Sony, J Records all those major record labels that are supporting the music thats being put out there. its not fair the artists are the ones getting the blame....T.I doesnt sign his own check...he's under a label and that label allows America to see it.And like T.i was sayin it starts at home if you let your children know the difference between right and wrong you people wouldnt be having this problem so until "America" starts putting the blame where its supposed to be they will continue to have this problem......and i am a true t.i fan and i believe his cds are way more than shoot em up..b's h's etc...
  
    09-25-2007, 9:51 PM
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Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)
i mean no disreaspect but i agree with nelly and Ti.why do you watch the videos if you now you see booty bouncein all over the screen it's your choice to sit there and watch the rest of the video and then how you gone sit and say you have aproblem with the credit card swip though the young ladies behind so you didnt have a problem with the video when the female was shakein there bootyies all over the screen but when the credit card thing come up u got a problem i i agree with nelly about the comment he made about the discusstion im not sayin wat they put on the videos is right im sayin that you cant judge the african american life becuase of wat you see on a hip hop video you cant do that.you cant look on a hip hop video and say that's all black people about that's disrespect right there and then to see black as a race comin against they selfs that sayin you can tell how a person or just our race in genaral the way we live our lives just by lookin at a hip hop video that's just plan disrespect if j holiday :bed the song come on right know it's about sex but that's your choice to sit there and watch that video you have no problem with the video when it first starts you done sat there and watch the whole three minutes of the video by the end of the video you already got a comment but you the fool that sat up there at 6:00 o,clock in the morning watchin uncut videos and you know wat it's gone be about.
  
    09-25-2007, 9:54 PM
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Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)
I feel that females that jump on the whole disrespecting females on the videos bandwagon are not realistic, there are *55* and *58* out there, if you are not one why are you upset?
  
    09-25-2007, 9:58 PM
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Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)

My responce to this whole thing is just how some people have already said is that you simply cant not blame hip hop for americas problems. Some of americas issues are things like poverty... can u blame hip hop for that?? A.I.D.S.. can you blame hip hop for that?? WAR can u blame hip hop for that... DROP OUT RATES can u blame hip hop for that?? The Health Insurance issue can u blame hip hop for that?? NO you simply can not blame any of those things on hip hop.. all these problems with america are from multiple things such as our start as a country i believe so. The only thing i think you can blame hip hop for is expressing itself to show the world what is going on in which leaders of the world just throw under the rug. face it the truth hurts.. so when artist talk about the crack game some people get mad... but hip hop didn't bring that into this world.. hip hop didn't bring guns into this world for people to kill themselves.. it is simply the PEOPLES CHOICES that they take.. everyone when they wake up in the morning has choices/free will to express themselves or do what they feel like they can do.. and for that you can not blame hip hop.

  
    09-25-2007, 10:00 PM
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Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)
LISTENING !!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not against what was said on all parties and it is not about white or black but when you really think about this: First it starts with our kids in which we as parents are suppose to teach them right from wrong but when they are in their late teens; you can't tell them nothing, My point is ;it's okay to repesent our dreams in rap and be proud of it but what comes after that. Young kids in this generation is stuck. When they go to school, they are thinking how can I get money like that. The rappers really need to get a grip or make a reality show and show what is it really all about. I tell everyone to go to college like I did. NO!! they want a quick fix to money. That's what they need to talk about rap to the kids on the struggle in it and the its game. So when they  go to school they can decide to be what they really want to be. They are wearing the clothes made by afro-american proudly, that's okay, they are singing it and dancing to it. Then they have to sit in a boring classroom and they don't know why, when they can be like rapper or just look good like girl in video. That is why we are having problems in schools and education. Rappers need to go to schools and explain that it is not that easy or just a quick fix on life. The point of the show everyone has forgotten is THIS IS GLAMOURIZING THE MINDS OF CHILDREN FOR MONEY. The will do anything to get it,  it's like something evil.If they can't get it they are mad at the world. That what the discussing about being a single mom is hard. When your kids what to fit in the era of being proud to be black
  
    09-25-2007, 10:01 PM
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Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)
I don't think corrine is making black women or any woman look bad besides herself. One woman cannot define all black women, that is the problem with alot of black people way of thinking. We have been programmed to think we are all lumped into one group, when we are a variety.
  
    09-25-2007, 10:06 PM
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Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)
It would be nice if we did not separate ourselves like that, but that is what the media wants. Hip Hop and this new generation of kids were trying to make the "n" word not as offensive as it was back in the day, just like they have with many of other words, but the older black people do not want that to happen. I don't know why we as black people give racist people so much power!!!
  
    09-25-2007, 10:10 PM
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Music [8] Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)
I would like to start off by saying that Hip-Hop is not the blame for all the bad in the world today. Something was said about the Nelly video...that people thought it was wrong. In my opinion if u don't like it don't watch it..Nobody's says you have to like it, and regardless of how you tell your kids not to watch it and all this other stuff..thats cool but as a kid..We have to have reasons, tell us y its wrong...Like they said it EDUCATION...thats what it all comes down to..But also it comes down to MONEY...I know money isn't as important as Education but when u look at life...its all about money...u can't get no where in life without money...Now Nelly and T.I., they juss makin there money but people (GROWNUPS) are always telling us and teaching us these saying like "DON'T JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER" they teach us that but it seems it doesn't apply to them..Nelly made one video and now he's all about that one thing...NO...he's juss making his money but before you wanna judge him find out who he is...listen to more than juss one of his songs..and if you don't want to do that..then u can't say anything about him not even complain because u don't know him...but juss listen to yourselves sometimes..pay attention to other things...its not juss Hip-Hop..we juss make it Hip-Hop - Just Words to be said from the Future Generation-
  
    09-25-2007, 10:16 PM
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Re: Hip Hop vs. America - Tune In & Discuss The Series - September 25 and 26 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)
I really enjoyed the special tonight and can't wait for it to come on again tomorrow. I hate to be redundant and repeat what everyone else says, so i'll just drop a few lines. I love hip hop! I have listened to hip hop since I was old enough to comprehend words. And not ONCE have I EVER wanted to do any of the negative things i've seen or hear in music. Music is simply entertainment for it's audience. It's supposed to help us relax, or vent, or make us feel like we're not the only ones int he world with problems. But i understood that because I was TAUGHT that. My parents always told me the difference between right and wrong, and I have always been a leader. So I would NEVER do anything because I saw someone else do it. If anything, I work my *** off in school so that I can have a career and have some of the nice things I see in videos and on TV. So if people want to play the "hip hop is responsible for...' game, then I can say it's partly a motivation for me to achieve my goals, so I can have nice things. But we can talk all day long about what's right and wrong, and how things should be and could be, but we need to start standing up and DOING something. I am a tutor, mentor, and I have chosen a career where I can contribute my time to finding a way to control or stop the spread of HIV in my community. I think if everyone didn't spend so much time TALKING about the issues, and started DOING something about the issues, we'd have a lot more accomplished. ...and i'm spent!
  
    09-25-2007, 10:26 PM
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Re: Hip Hop vs. America - WATCH TONIGHT - September 25 at 8 p.m. (ET/PT)

I just got finish watching the program tonight some things i agreed with others i did not. I find it amazing as a black woman  how fast we put blame  on hip hop and other artist, But i have yet to hear the blame for us woman . I have traveled to verious black collages and have heard out of the mouth of some of this countries most educated woman the word HO and   *** toward other woman .Now if we are to slove such a problem lets deal with the truth and that is that we are to blame!!!!! We call each other those hurtful terms me inclueded . So to heal the wond of this problam honesty is the alcohol that cleans it.How can we expect respect from white men, black men ,all men when were not willing to give it to each other.I have a question what does the girl feel about herslef when she allowed Nelly to do such a thing as swipe a credit card down her butt?Were is she to blame? The first step to healing is slef love , slef worth and honesty.

   Hey dont hate me i'm just keeping you honest.

  
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