THIS SHOW IS AN E EMBARRASSMENT TO MMA.

 SonesterSambo wrote:The truth of the matter is that Nick Thompson wants none of Maoshan or any legitimate baguazan master.  Guys like maoshan dont play fight, hug and roll around in romantic positions. This is life or death *55*, take that play fighting pillow biting dry humping *73* to perezhilton.com cuz yall are messing with the real deal.  Why would Maoshan accept this fight, knowing that he could very well end Nicky Thompsons life with a technique done too hard.  Listen dry hump fighters, this isnt good for you, leave while you still have your dignity. You dont want to see one of your homo crushes/fighters get ripped apart by a true MARTIAL ARTS master.   Not a mixed martial artist which I equate to being bi-sexual.  RESPECTHow many people think this is Rashon Khan's grouchy ***?If you're going to host a mixed martial arts show, then expect all various forms of combat, including grappling...period. If you don't care too much for the grappling, then call the show something other than mixed martial arts. This is reason why there is so much animosity from fans and fighters towards this. It's a show that pretends to be a mma, and portrays it in a very negative light. It's also obvious that a majority of traditional martial artists on this show have a lot of animosity towards the fighters. Are those guys there to promote mma or talk *73* with the rest of the ignorant rappers?(Nelly and Luda don't seem ignorant)

What about the fighters people?.... I cant beleive all you so called mma fans and martial artist have spent the entire time the show has aired argueing about what ''coach'' is real or not. The athletes on the show are puttin their *73* on the line to get opportunities to shine and all you guys do is bicker and beef like some little kids. Damn, can anyone add any quality commentary ... Posted in Iron Ring by striker on 05-13-2008

 striker wrote:What about the fighters people?.... I cant beleive all you so called mma fans and martial artist have spent the entire time the show has aired argueing about what ''coach'' is real or not. The athletes on the show are puttin their *73* on the line to get opportunities to shine and all you guys do is bicker and beef like some little kids. Damn, can anyone add any quality commentary ... Posted in Iron Ring by striker on 05-13-2008Striker, what are you talking about? Iron ring doesn't provide an environment for fighters to shine at all. The refs understanding of the sport is very limited, so they make bad decisions during the fights. The only coaches that have any room to train these fighters are on Lil' John, Luda, and Nelly's team. Rashon Khan is a jerk. If they wanted someone old school to host the show, Ron Van Clief would've been a better choice. It's just a bad, bad, bad situation overall for fighters in this show. If you do want a positive commentary on one fighter, then I'll have to pick Franz Mendez. From the little I've seen from him so far, he's very good.

That may be the case...not necessarily the best presentation, but noone on this board ever talks about the fighters or fights. So out of all the *** you dont see anything else to discuss? Its not the competitors fault about production. Franz is a friend and he is good but he is not the only good fighter on the show. Give me a break. Noone mentioned Marcus Brimmage or Dymond Jones, two good fighters with decent experience level. More haters on this board than fighters or fans because fighters would give credit where its due after some of these bouts. But whatever... . For god's sake page after page of the moshan ***, are you kiddin me?

Look DUDE my teacher is busy tending to real life matters and doesnt have time to engage in this ridiculous arguement with someone like you. Do you know why kung fu sucks so bad? Because everyone says so? Do you know anyone who has actually trained it for real hours a day testing under pressure? Thats what makes people good period . The time, the effort and focus. 

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. We've all met people like big charlie.. I wonder if he really believes his own s***

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Challenging evryone who thinks your full of *73* won't cut it Challenging evryone who thinks your full of *73* won't cut it May 05, 2008 Oh snap home slice!!!! You abouts the bling bling eh? I hope you're good at that silly martial art because your writing and grammar are terrible. A career in journalism is not in the cards I'm afraid.Here's my point which the tiny brain you posses has yet to accept. I ain't challenging you to a fight. It wouldn't surprise me if you were the toughest thug in your hood. I am neither a MMA fighter or a Kung Fu one. I am a fan of MMA and have extreme respect for what they do. You, or your boy Hill claims that they aren't year fighters and stand to chance against you guys (read his text bro). I beg to differ and say you are full of *73*. As far as you getting more students: good for you. Despite what you may think I don't hate you and I have no problem with you trying to better your life and make money. I also think however, your martial art, while interesting in its historical roots n such, is not worthy to be put next to the real warriors of MMA. Now what you have a problem with homie (how do you know thats not just the way I talk?) is understanding that a win or loss over myself or some other non-practitioner proves nothing about MMA vs. Ba gwa ja ja. Nick Thompson put out the challenge to Hill but also stated that if you had similar view points it extents to you as well.So here is the man up part holmes..you dig daddyo?: Tell us all what your opinion is then. Do you agree that MMA fighters are real professionals and can be distinguished from what you do as they constantly engage in challenges. They truly embody what a warrior is and you teach self defense (No disrespect but thats what you do don't you?) ---------------------------------------------------------------- BlackTaoist:   Listen man I don't have time for the 3rd party tea games on the internet. I'm about business money. Making money. As for this Nick Thompson Challenge lets keep it real. He's a welter weight at 160-170;bs. They won't let us fight. I'm a heavywieght. I weigh 240. My manger Sean from Level10 Alliance has a myspace page. Here it is: http://www.myspace.com/level10alliance    I told you before I'm about business. We already approached Nick Thompson about his challenge and you can ask him if you like. I don't engage in fabrications and I also don't engage in nonsense which is why I don't reply to the BET comments because real warriors don't engage in he said she said my style's or hero is better than your's BS. Real warriors don't talk they put up and don't go around showcasing like *55* and also don't need other people speaking for them.   The reality is that my management contacted Nate Thompson personally and he made it clear that the challenge was for Maoshan. So what more do I need to say on this matter. NOTHING. I got this first hand from the man himself through my manager in the e-mail he sent him back. so anything else anyone is saying or doing is just hyping things up and starting trouble for your own entertainment. A bunch of wish you were *** wannabees. As for my opinion on MMA. Why would I disrespect it when I train with guys who train MMA and I have students who do MMA. Training partners who help me improve my skills. No matter what you think of my style or the system I train in. The truth of the matter is the style is only as effective as the person behind the style is based on their training.   So truly it doesn't matter what style is used. In the end fighting is fighting and it all depends on skill and strategy. So hence the saying "The truth comes to the light in the fight" and I have no problem exploring that truth with any man. This is why I gave my invitation to Nick Thompson and other Martial Artist that are willing to check me out. My doors have always been open and I've been teaching in Harlem for years now to people from all walks of life and Martial backgrounds.   The people who know me have no doubts of my skill and neither do I. In conclusion, Maoshan and I are friends we live miles away from one another and I have nothing to do with his affairs or how he handles them. We are two different people. I'm not writing him off but he can handle his business and I can, and will definitely handle mines'. I have enough stuff on my plate dealing with the one-sided view BET presented of me than to be worried about a bunch of faceless critics who obviously know nothing about me or the people in my circle.   Best advice I can give you is that if you feel the way you feel you're more than welcome to come check a brother out. Come with respect you get respect. Some of the disrespectful comments on Kung fu would just run most people away from you anyway. It is a display of a bad uneducated viewpoint on the subject. Come see me and I'm sure I can change those opinions. Other than that may you continue to develop in wisdom and personal martial power. Have a nice day.   Novell LaoShi -------------------------------------------------------------------------   Re: Challenging evryone who thinks your full of *73* won't cut it May 05, 2008 Alright you have a point. I shouldn't be coming out insulting you and your discipline without knowing you. I suppose I based my perception on the show I saw you in. I was really offended at some of the comments you made at some of the fighters and in general. It seemed as though you were not taking it seriously. I know you claim the BET is at fault for bad editing, but just the same you did make those comments.I will however, give you respect for answering my questions. It isn't your fault Maoshan went off the deep end disrespecting MMA. I naturally associated you because he, himself claims to be your manager and refers to you often (I don't know if you read any of it but it is harsh).As far as myself. I'm not a trained practitioner of any martial art. I work as a pilot and am a huge fan of MMA. I'm more than sure you can kick my *** but that isn't the point. I just feel like if you claim to be something you should prove it. I apologize for some of my comments and sarcasm. Clearly I assumed some things about you that were not true.

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Damn...That's just sad. stop spinning *73*/ In regards to fighting it's nto hard to find out where my teacher teaches 5 days a week. Maybe you can get someone a deal on some tickets and fly them to syracuse and through them be THAT much more of a "warrior". contact him show up or shut the f*** up.  

First off thank you for posting all that text in the middle. I agree with it 100%. Not sure why you want to point out what a fraud Maoshan is, being one of his students, but it rings very true. ___________________________________________________                             "Do you know why kung fu sucks so bad? Because everyone says so? Do you know anyone who has actually trained it for real hours a day testing under pressure? Thats what makes people good period . The time, the effort and focus. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. We've all met people like big charlie.. I wonder if he really believes his own s***" ___________________________________________________                             I see you are trying to use my lines against me. Sort of a "I know you are but what am I approach". Nice going. I can picture you now when someone is trying to point out why Kung Fu artists cannot be compared to Mixed Martial Artists and you have your fingers in your ears saying "la la la la" as loud as you can.                                                                                                                                       Wow you totally got me. I don't know exactly how to respond...........Well I may as well give it a shot. Here goes:                                                                                                                                      I know Kung Fu doesn't hold up against MMA because never once have I seen a Kung Fu artist defeat a practitioner of MMA or arts such as Muay Thai, Wrestling, Jiu-Jitsu etc. The argument that none of the documented cases of contests included "real Kung Fu" men is laughable. Why is that? Why won't the bone crushing, flesh piercing, death touch wielding Kung Fu men step forward? Are you afraid to let the world see? Maoshan has said he trains like he fights with no rules. Tell me, has he ever pulverized your bones or pulled one of your organs out?                                                                                                                                                                            Maoshan is a real Kung Fu guy right? I mean he has videos all over youtube. All that dancing around and posing surely proves what you say.......................Actually not so much.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes time effort and focus is what makes people good at anything. Maoshan is very good at bagwa, there is no doubt. Unfortunately however, being good at bagwa doesn't make you a great fighter. What you study is important as well. You could study tap dance for 30 years and be amazing but I won't be picking you in a fight against any Mixed Martial Artist.                                                                                                                                      You guys must literally be the dumbest people on the planet. Each time I explain to you in the most basic way possible why you are full of *73* and each time you come back with the same response: "Why don't you come and find Maoshan and fight him". Let me try once more. I will quote an e-mail I recently sent to Maoshan: ___________________________________________________                             I'm not trying to sound like an *** but this is literately like conversing with a child. I don't know whether you are purposely trying to avoid the real issue by making this into something it isn't or whether you legitimately don't get it. Seriously, I don't know how to communicate with someone like you. This isn't the street Mr. Hill. Nobody wants to "*8* you up". We want you to back up your claims. We want proof. The argument is not and never has been whether you could beat up random people on the internet. The issue is the legitimacy of your claims and your discipline. Why do you insist on making this into a ghetto street thing?                                                                                                                                      I could go around making outrageous claims if I wanted to. I could say I'm the fastest man on the planet and that Asafa Powell (the world record holder) sucks and would lose to any real trained track athlete. I could post videos of myself beating random guys in the 100m dash as my proof. I ask you though, would that convince you? and if people challenged my claim and tried to set up a race between me and Asafu would you believe me if I said I don't have anything to prove? Would you be impressed when rather than accept the challenge I instead challenge the people who criticize me to race?                                                                                                                                      The above scenario sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Well it should remind you of someone you know (I'm talking about you in case you haven't got it yet).                                                                                                                                                                                       Once again please understand: Yes, we challenged you. We challenged you to back up your claims. We believe, that guys like you are a dime a dozen. You can say anything you want but when it is time to prove it you disappear. To show that Kung Fu is superior to MMA (or what we believe is MMA) you must prove it through combat. You guys say something like "the truth will come to light in the fight". That is the only way what you say will be taken seriously and it is the only way people will believe that you believe in yourself and the discipline you represent. There is no record to back your claims, which makes what you say at best ignorant and at worst comical.                                                                                                                                      Please tell me you understand? Stop being a child and recognize what this is. This isn't about a personal beef with you and anyone on the forums. It's about respect for your discipline and martial arts in general. Don't make claims of superiority if you are unwilling to prove it. Otherwise you will come under the kind of scrutiny you have.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't know how to explain it simpler than that. To be proven superior to an MMA fighter you must beat one. Anything short of that is mere ***. You're a fraud sir, and I have far more evidence to prove this than you do to disprove it. (before you come back with your predictable "well if I'm a fraud then why don't you fight me" response please remember the central point of this essay) ___________________________________________________                             I guess I can't blame you for not dealing with any of the points I make. You can't defend them because they make too much sense. Your "teacher" has no doubt told you many things over the years and you have a vested interest in holding on to it. You don't want to believe he is a fraud because it makes what you do fraudulent too. If your teacher is right how come he is teaching in a park and chooses not to show his superiority to the world? Why does he choose not to use these bone crushing techniques in competition and become wealthy and successful? It is truly amazing how one can rationalize things. No doubt it is entertaining for the rest of us but sad at the same time.                                                                                                                                      I must reiterate once more: If you claim to be superior to something, refusal to prove it means you are full of *73*. Until you defeat a mixed martial artist with your bagwa skills you will be viewed as a joke. Maoshan says he never challenged anybody now. Maybe he should go back and read. I won't shut up no matter how bad it hurts Maoshan and your feelings. I'm sorry I am ruining your fantasy but it needs to be done. When I see BS I call people on it. I would do the same to anyone. Don't take it so personally. Just try to learn from it.                                                                                                                                      Also try and be a little more consistent with screen names. Trillis, Nasty Foot, Mixed martial art gamer, and maoshan. It's weird how they show up one after the other, get beatin down and then disappear isn't it?                                                                                                                                      P.S Are you the kid in Maoshan's video's?                                                                                                                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLdQHVw8_lw                                                                                                                                      Please tell me you are. That is some funny *73*. Nice work.

• Hear hear!  BigCharlie is right on the money.
• Blacktaoist and Maoshan are charlatans making extra-ordinary claims, then when asked for proof of such claims (as any normal people would), they run like the pussies they really are.  They kind of remind me of psychics or those faith healers.  They're total shams that don't like the light of day being shone on them.
• Who saw Blacktaoist lecturing the Ironring team he 'coaches' on Bawgwa, or what ever the *8* he calls his stupid martial art?  It brought to mind that skit on In Living Color where Jim Carrey plays that martial arts instructor who needs his students to attack him a certain way.  Too funny.  It's too bad that the scene on the Ironring didn't end the same way the skit on In Living Color did.
• Peace
• BTW, I found some youtube footage of the Blacktaoist's Master in action, check it out...
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I&feature=related 
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jf3Gc2a0_8&NR=1

ROTFL......................That was the funniest *73* I have ever seen. Nice Job. That is the exact picture I have in my mind when I think of Maoshan fighting an MMA guy. Look how shocked that old dude was when he was bleeding. All at once he discovered he doesn't have magical powers. How sad he must be now. I guess his students never had the heart to tell him. Props on finding that footage. Poor old guy!!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Oh wait I have something to add, Maoshans flesh piercing technique really works:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka_PfwkzxMo

Thank you, s2cuts... that was hillarious I kinda felt bad laughing as the old crazy dude took the dome shots, but I prayed about it and now I'm forgiven. I could see the other guy felt pretty bad about having to beat up the old dude, but I could read his mind, "Hey he stepped in here, $5k is $5k and we all know that I'm about that $$$$paper... besides I'll pray about it and be forgiven"

Just when I thought the fun was over.........I find out my man Maoshan defeated Kimbo Slice in the park.                                                                                                                           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZszaLoAE3M&feature=related                                                                                                                                                                              It must be fun running around Central Park shooting videos with your friends. When I was 12 I used to do the same thing. Too bad there wasn't youtube back then.

Sadly I fear this may be the end. Maoshan is waving the white flag in defeat it seems. He has all but admitted he has no intention of fighting Thompson and refuses to answer the challengers of several other willing less experienced fighters who offer to come to his park. He won't publicly say this but spouting of that garbage about MMA was the worst mistake he ever made and he couldn't regret it more. Now he has all these people wanting to give him the opportunity to test his theories but Maoshan wants none of it. It's sad cause I hoped he go out fighting, instead of like this staring at his feet trying to inch closer to the door. He knows he will never live this down but at the same time he rationalizes nobody beat him (even though he never gave anyone an opportunity) and he'll always prefer to avoid a beating.

Blactaoist removed all the Kung Fu   Kings of NY videos last night only hours after they were all linked on this forum. Too bad as I enjoyed them.

1. In my 9yrs on the internet I have never in all my imagination thought to use another name. I have plenty of friends, student's and well wishers. Posting under other disguises is for *55* with no kind of life, which has been evidenced here.2. White flag?LOL Now there will be no mistake where I stand. Click the link. nuff said.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS2qRzdqcGE

Hey Brother Mao Shan fine you post a video to attend to these issue But if it was me I would have not respond to gibberish.. Why give life to foulness. From the vid you post on you tube I can see you a genuine street dude .I’m sure you fight this guy Nick if he show up, which I doubt. My advice to you brother is let these silly nuts keep singing the same song. What real disappointing is this poor gentleman still on the same boring subject matter-“MAOSHAN.”

 

Real comical the guy not even a fighter but want to deliberate and tell us what real mma is all about. The dupe must have a soft spot for you Mao Shan or he want to date you man. These crazy nuts like big Charlie and s2cuts give the impression all they care to talk about is you., black taoist, iron ring coaches or how bad the iron ring show. What hilarious they still watching the iron ring show not gone astray a Tuesday.

 

Actually what real humorous I observe big Charlie and s2cuts always post right after one other every time. My suspicion they are both the some person. The e-mail your student posted confirms for me whoever this guy is he for sure crazy! Depressing we have a cracked nutty person going around on the internet with nothing better else to do with his free time but talk rubbish like a minuscule immature crazy  and post under other camouflage  bogus names . I think if this ridiculous slapstick comedian big Charlie and s2cuts don’t like the iron ring, the coaches, the trash talking that goes on the show, he should not look at the iron ring show.  But the worthless dupe can’t help himself he in fact an admirer of the iron ring show. Why I tell you Mao Shan don’t waste your time.  Let these fools rest in they own low level of intelligence.