What's with the power trip yo?  I simply gave my opinion as to what was missing. 

What, did I offend your "good book"?  No need to delete my comment yo, simply discuss and let's go from there. 

*shaking head* 

 

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Your original comment is still there, Im not going to delete you. Now with GOD that's another story.

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The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.

 Merciful008 wrote:Your original comment is still there, Im not going to delete you. Now with GOD that's another story.

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Why do people say things like that as if I'm supposed to be scared? 

If your god was real, why does he wait to hand out his punishment?  Why not be like a mother/father and punish the child at that exact moment?  Please, spare me the Revelations line, I've heard it before.  ANSWERS my man, ANSWERS. 

 

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You said: "Why not be like a mother/father and punish the child at that exact moment?" ................................. Man is to follow GOD's example, Instead of GOD following mans impaitence. __________________________________________ _____________________________________ Ecclesiastes 8:5-11 NIV"5 Whoever obeys his command will come to no harm, and the wise heart will know the proper time and procedure. 6 For there is a proper time and procedure for every matter, though a man's misery weighs heavily upon him. 7 Since no man knows the future, who can tell him what is to come? 8 No man has power over the wind to contain it; so no one has power over the day of his death. As no one is discharged in time of war, so wickedness will not release those who practice it. _____________________________________ _______________________________________ 9 All this I saw, as I applied my mind to everything done under the sun. There is a time when a man lords it over others to his own hurt. 10 Then too, I saw the wicked buried—those who used to come and go from the holy place and receive praise in the city where they did this. This too is meaningless. 11 When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, the hearts of the people are filled with schemes to do wrong. 12 Although a wicked man commits a hundred crimes and still lives a long time, I know that it will go better with God-fearing men, who are reverent before God. 13 Yet because the wicked do not fear God, it will not go well with them, and their days will not lengthen like a shadow."

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The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.

You know, it would've been better if you said, "Ag, I really don't know.  Instead of speculating and running around in a circle like most Christians do, I'll simply say I don't know." 

That, that would've been much easier my man.  The only thing I got from that is, "blah blah blah, those who accept god will be okay, blah blah blah, those who don't will pay."  That's what you were saying isn't it?  In less words than your above mentioned. 

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You're right... the back drop may have detracted a bit. But like any plate of food, you generally eat until your comfortably full. Now If the different items on that plate are undesirable, then you did right by throwing it under the table as your ancestors have done. Who know's, it's probably for some one else anyway. ________________________________________ _____________________________________ At this point I'd truly say that GOD (know's), what would you say?

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The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.

 Merciful008 wrote:You're right... the back drop may have detracted a bit. But like any plate of food, you generally eat until your comfortably full. Now If the different items on that plate are undiserable then you did right by throwing it under the table as your ancestors have done, it's probably for some one else anyway, who know's? ________________________________________ _____________________________________ I'd say GOD (know's) what would you say?

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I'd simply say that you're wasting your time.  Your inability to be a free thinker will ultimately be your, and billions of others downfall. 

I like living outside the box.  Feels so good......*opens arms to catch all the warmth*   

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Luke 8:16-18 16"No one lights a lamp and hides it in a jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, he puts it on a stand, so that those who come in can see the light. 17For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open. 18Therefore consider carefully how you listen. Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what he thinks he has will be taken from him."

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The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.

 Merciful008 wrote:Luke 8:16-18 16"No one lights a lamp and hides it in a jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, he puts it on a stand, so that those who come in can see the light. 17For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open. 18Therefore consider carefully how you listen. Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what he thinks he has will be taken from him."

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I thought I made it perfectly clear that when we're conversing, I would like your rebuttal to come in the form of ENGLISH.  Listen, stop with the quotes....they do NOTHING for me. 

You tell me, in ENGLISH, how is your god NOT hiding himself?  Why create millions of people if you know they won't believe in you?  Or, question your existence?  That makes no sense. 

If you want to kill all the mumbo jumbo in the world, simply show us you're real so we'll all be on the same page.  It's not that hard.....why does your god make it that way? 

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Pharoah was also made to rebel, his rebellion served a purpose. Just as the word serves a purpose. Now if his WORD is foriegn language towards your ears, then a translator is neccessary. Sad to say my heart has only been inclined towards helping the people of illrepute. The very ones you're here to sway. Here's two scriptures too explain what you don't want too hear. _________________________________________ _________________________________________ Psalms 2 1 Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain? 2 The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the LORD and against his Anointed One. 3 "Let us break their chains," they say, "and throw off their fetters." _________________________________________ _________________________________________ 4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them. 5 Then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying, _________________________________________ _________________________________________ 6 "I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill." 7 I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father. 8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession. You will rule them with an iron scepter you will dash them to pieces like pottery." _________________________________________ _________________________________________ 10 Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. 11 Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him. _________________________________________ _________________________________________ Romans 9:10-24 10Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. 11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." ________________________________________ ________________________________________ 14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. _________________________________________ _________________________________________ 19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? _________________________________________ _________________________________________ 22 What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

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The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.

I'm not here to sway anyone.  I'm here to engage in discourse with ANYONE who's willing to listen to me, respectfully, and not bash me for not believing.  And I'll do the same.  Sway?  Not me.  You believe you believe, you don't, you don't. 

Let's start with your scriptures.  I've read them and found many flaws. 

You ---->  11.  Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling. 12.  Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

Me ---->  What type of cynical, dumb a**hole is this guy?  He creates people only to have them fear him and rejoice him?  What's REALLY the point in all of that?  You're basically on some power trip for doing that.  If your god is all knowing, he shouldn't even create those who will ultimately defy/not acknowledge him.  Scriptures aside, provide me some logic on that last line. 

You ---->10.  Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. 11.  Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12.  not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13.  Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

Me --->  Okay, this is all hosed up.  You mean to tell me, this is FAIR?  Let me remind you again, these two children have done NOTHING aside from be conceived, yet God only loves ONE of them?  Wow.....*shaking head*.  That's bullsh**.   The same man you love so much is just like the rest of us down here.  His feelings are iffy and he's no better than your average human.  You see it....you just don't want to believe it. 

You --->  14.  What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15.  For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16.  It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17.  For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18.  Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

Me ----->  This whole thing is funny as hell to me.  Essentially, there's no point in being saved.  I say that because, REGARDLESS of your prayers or not, your god is going to pick and choose who's better than the next.  "Okay, you kissed my a** 20's time today, you're forgiven."  "No, you didn't say GOD IS JUST today, so you're going to feel my wrath.  Even though you're a good christian, I've already given my compassion to someone else.  Sorry buddy, tough break.  I'm still your god, so kiss my a** some more and I'll think about it." 

Yet I'm supposed to hold this guy above ALL things?  LMAO!  I don't think so homie. 

Make sure your rebuttal doesn't come in the form of MORE scriptures.  Provide me something other than that.  That is, what a debate is about you know? 

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Now let me get this straight.... You're saying to me that I must avoid using GOD'S word in this post or at least towards you. Are you saying his word prevents us from having any meaningful dialogue about him? This post is about the bible, please tell me why it's [the Bible]irrelevant and ill equipped to defend it's own value? With GOD at the helm of this discussion I believe it's more than possible. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Listen Agony! just as you're using your nametag and responses to defend a disbelief in GOD, I too am using my nametag too counter that disbelief, and only with the bible can I truly bring the pain. _________________________________________ _________________________________________ And you know what, for some God’s correction is painful yet they'll accept it as love. On the other hand, you have that special audience that's devout in believing that the bible is a down right disgrace and curse for them. _________________________________________ _________________________________________ Therefore you and your type have vowed to Dare GOD, challenging him to change a holy course. Or go astray with what he's inspired as being truth, his word that contains prophetic law. Your testing him, to see if he's anxious like us humans. _________________________________________ _________________________________________ These people have no fear, so they command GOD in front of his children to fix their setbacks and the many problems facing the human family altogether. Without regard for lowliness and humility were urged by them to walk in arrogance. They propose that if he's truly a GOD of love or all powerful, why does he do things in chronological order that ignores the things that causes his own people pain. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Ultimately thier flexing their manipulative muscles while building a trap for the Most High through us. They imagine [GOD] is illiterate on some level or even blind to their cunning. You know.... I'd have to say that the children whom oppose GOD have earned what they'll soon inherit! _________________________________________ _________________________________________ JOB 36:2-14______________________ 2 "Bear with me a little longer and I will show you that there is more to be said in God's behalf. 3 I get my knowledge from afar; I will ascribe justice to my Maker. 4 Be assured that my words are not false; one perfect in knowledge is with you. 5 "God is mighty, but does not despise men; he is mighty, and firm in his purpose. 6 He does not keep the wicked alive but gives the afflicted their rights. __________________________________________ __________________________________________ 7 He does not take his eyes off the righteous; he enthrones them with kings and exalts them forever. 8 But if men are bound in chains, held fast by cords of affliction, 9 he tells them what they have done—that they have sinned arrogantly. 10 He makes them listen to correction and commands them to repent of their evil. _________________________________________ _________________________________________ 11 If they obey and serve him, they will spend the rest of their days in prosperity and their years in contentment. 12 But if they do not listen, they will perish by the sword and die without knowledge. 13 "The godless in heart harbor resentment; even when he fetters them, they do not cry for help. 14. They die in their youth, among male prostitutes of the shrines." __________________________________________ __________________________________________ 21 Beware of turning to evil, which you seem to prefer to affliction. 22 "God is exalted in his power. Who is a teacher like him? 23 Who has prescribed his ways for him, or said to him, 'You have done wrong'?

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The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.

The bible reveals to us God's plans for our lives,and it introduce us to the Savior of the world....Jesus Christ.. Trust him and receive eternal life. Also you can live a victorious life  on this earth,through Christ.

First off, I never said you couldn't use the scriptures to "help" provide a rebuttal, I simply asked you not to do so.  We're essentially going around and around for nothing. 

If a question is asked, answer it.  Bottom line, answer it.  Don't "Acts" this and "Job" that....just answer the question.  I hate when people do that.  Either they have no answer for said question, and to save face, they spout off any and everything, or they simply don't know/understand.  If it's the latter, simply say that. 

Listen man, I'm not challening your god to anything.  I simply don't believe what I can't see and what won't show itself to the masses is all.  You can rely on "faith" and "the good book" if you want, but some of us need that PROOF to believe.  Now, if your god was "all knowing" as he claims to be, then he would've known I'd be a non-believer.  That's his fault for making a flawed product. 

The bible isn't "prophetic law"....it's a man made product to sway the masses into believing THEIR way is "the way".  I seriously don't understand what you can't see about that.  Call me crazy, but I'm having a better time at enjoying life by just going instead of following some contradictory book that has a problem with damn near everything I do. 

Tell your god to show himself to myself and those who don't believe.  And again, I ask you to spare me the typical christian response of, "He has, you just didn't accept him" or, "You aren't ready to see god".  Fu** that.  Tell your boy to provide some ACTION to his words. 

 

Think about this for a minute:  According to you Christians, your god created everything.  Now, if this is true, then this same god created evil.  Correct?  According to (1 John 3:20), your god is (omniscient).  If your god is omniscient, as it is so written, he knows all possible outcomes of ALL things and ALL universes.  Correct? 

If your god created us/the universe, then he KNEW, key word, what the outcome of our lives and this universe would be.  Correct?  So it's safe to say that our paths have already been chosen.  I mean, being that your god is all knowing and what have you. 

So, and this is the good part, if your god, the omniscient one, created us, knowing ALL possible outcomes, how exactly is there free will?  How? 

Free will can't exist in a predetermined enviornment you know?  Now, if these statements aren't true, then your god isn't omniscient.  Correct?  If free will is real, then that would mean god isn't as perfect as some of you think he is.  Correct? 

Now you tell me, why do you feel it's necessary to bow down to someone who, is "supposedly" omnipotent, omniscient, created good and evil, yet all the while he knows exactly what the course of life will be? 

Your boy is a walking/floating contradiction.  I can't believe in things like that.  I'll take my chances.......no doubt. 

 

 

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