Punk I know  Fabricio Monteiro, train with the man in Japan you internet punk. Fabricio Monteiro is a real fighter a guy that got rob in his match against  Nick Thompson, who is  *8*ing garbage.  As for this guy Maoshan I never met him , so I can't  comment about his level of skill. I met Novell he a real martial artists which have nothing to prove to racist fools like yourself. So far all the Tough guy posting  I read is coming from you  racist fool*102*o scare to step in a black environment to fight. But you racist pussys claim to be real fighters, you white racist  are a *8*ING JOKE, and This Nick Thompson is the biggest JOKE! He puts out a challenge yet scare as hell to fight this brother Maoshan  in a park. I'm laughing my *** off about you so-called real mma fighters.  

 mixmartialartgamer wrote:

Punk I know  Fabricio Monteiro, train with the man in Japan you internet punk. Fabricio Monteiro is a real fighter a guy that got rob in his match against  Nick Thompson, who is  *8*ing garbage.  As for this guy Maoshan I never met him , so I can't  comment about his level of skill. But I met Novell and he a real martial artists which have nothing to  prove to racist fools like yourself.   Because all the Tough guy posting  I read is coming from you  fool*102*o scare to go to a black environment to fight. But you all claim to be real fighters, you white racist  are a *8*ING JOKE, and This Nick Thompson is the biggest JOKE! He puts out a challenge yet scare as hell to fight this brother Maoshan  in a park. I'm laughing my *** off about you so-called real mma fighters.  

   You're post confuses me.  Are you an mma fighter?  If so, why are you trying to sh*t on a professional MMA fighter in favor of a charlatan?  Until you can clear up these inconsistencies, how is anyone here supposed to believe that you aren't really blacktaoist or maoshan?  And what is all this black vs white BS?  The only racist person here is you, so can you please drop it already.  It's making you look even more stupid then your original position does.

 mixmartialartgamer wrote:

Punk I know  Fabricio Monteiro, train with the man in Japan you internet punk. Fabricio Monteiro is a real fighter a guy that got rob in his match against  Nick Thompson, who is  *8*ing garbage.  As for this guy Maoshan I never met him , so I can't  comment about his level of skill. I met Novell he a real martial artists which have nothing to prove to racist fools like yourself. So far all the Tough guy posting  I read is coming from you  racist fool*102*o scare to step in a black environment to fight. But you racist pussys claim to be real fighters, you white racist  are a *8*ING JOKE, and This Nick Thompson is the biggest JOKE! He puts out a challenge yet scare as hell to fight this brother Maoshan  in a park. I'm laughing my *** off about you so-called real mma fighters.  

Okay, I’m not going to make fun of your grammar or your poor word usage because its obvious English is not your first language (or at least that’s what the poster is trying to convey. Maoshan has back up from Brazil…….hmmm. Your pattern of mistakes is inconsistent and unlike other south american written essays I have seen. If one were wanting to get some street cred with this MMA community what nationality and type of fighter would I use........I wonder). That’s fine but independent of that you are still a complete moron. You claim everyone else is racist and yet you use the phrase, “white *73*”. Then, you proceed to talk about how Nick Thompson sucks and how he is a coward.

 

First of all Thompson is the one who called Hill out, not the other way around (Hill made claims about MMA and its lack of legitimacy which you seem to agree with). Second, after he did Maoshan disappeared and at no point did he ever give Nick a time or a place (check the text idiot). Third, while it is perfectly fine to disagree with the judges decision between Thompson and Monteiro to trash Thompson is beyond stupid and disrespectful to Monterio. You can argue who won or lost but you can’t argue it was close and by saying Thompson is garbage you are indirectly saying Monteiro is too. What does it mean if you get beat by garbage dumb ***?

 

“I'm laughing my *** off about you so-called real mma fighters” you said. Really, yet you claim to know Monteiro who is by my account, and yours, a true MMA fighter. What do you think his opinion of this is: “[MMA is] not true Martial arts. Martial means war. The only prize ina fight like that is being able to walk away” and “99% of MMA guys can't throw a proper kick (Muay Thai, Kick Boxing), Actual Hand Skills (Boxing) range from mediocre to none existent”.

 

Dude you’re an idiot. Your post is beyond inconsistent and it seriously makes me doubt you are who you say you are. Maoshan has displayed this stupidity and ability to contradict himself quite a bit so if nothing else I’d say you two are closely related (maybe brothers from different mothers). Please keep those genes away from the rest of us.

MMagamer, tell us your name if you are who you say you are. your not a real fighter so shut the *8* up and from what nick say's maoshan said he "can't" fight nick, maybe a later date like the *** *** that he is. I'm not a pro fighter but I wrestled NCAA and trained with lloyd irvin so if an of these kung fu masters are to scared to fight a pro I as a amateur off the streets accept any challenge made out from a kung fu ***

With the exception of Krazy Horse, The SWAM guy, and Nelly's coach everyone coaching, commentating, or moderating this show has been exposed as the fraud they are. What they are is a pack of LARPers. These LARPers are having a fit because they can no longer live in their kung fu movie fantasy land. BLACK TAOIST has a cool sounding name but his behavior is as far from TAO as I can possibly imagine. I am constantly disgusted by the way all of these people act. They have made themselves walking jokes.

 Trillis wrote:Dear jayson, and jitsu.Just when I think I've read the stupidest post ever, you go and post another. How about putting that into proper syntax, form, and grammar so that I can at least understand what you are saying before I dismiss it?I don't think you are a fool after reading your post, but what's my opinion compared to that of thousands of others? If you're going to say something that ignorant, you could at least fake a stroke. If you knew what you're talking about, you'd be dangerous. To quote Martin Luther King, Jr.: "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."I'm busy trying to imagine you with a personality. Maybe you'd be less boring once I got to know you, but I don't want to take that chance. If I had wanted to talk to somebody with your personality, I would be at the damn pet store talking to the lizards. Maybe you wouldn't read like such a pathetic loser if you'd had enough oxygen at birth; if your weren't so fat that a "Place Your Billboard Ad Here" is printed on each of your butt cheeks, or if you didn't have a face so ugly that your mom had to get well-and-truly drunk before she could breast feed you. No, come to think of it, you would.To sum up: I'd rather pass the world's largest kidney stone than read another post from you. Peace Sifu.-Ben

I already exposed Trillis on another thread but I thought it only proper to post here as well since this thread is by far the most active. Don’t know if Trillis and Maoshan are one in the same but they certainly share a common character trait in stupidity.

 

Here is a link to Trillis’ favourite resource:

 

http://ashishjena.wordpress.com/category/general/

 

All it takes is a little copy n paste these days I guess to think you’re smart. Trillis…..less is more. You know what I’m saying there Sifu Ben?

Hahaha! Trillis got PWN'D!!!!

Very Nice bigcharlie!

Disappeared?????I haven't gone anywhere, It's obvious that none of you are a part of Nick's camp or you'd know better. As for posting, Why should I waste my time with a bunch of faceless clowns? As I said before, Ya'll know who I am, yet all of ya'll hide behind the PC. Men deal with Men face to face, Not this internet ***. Why should I hide? No one came to see me or my brother. Life continues as it has. And why should I come with an alias? I've been Maoshan for 8yrs and have never posted under any other name. I'm not scared of any of you, so why go through all that? Does the fact that your  boy Nick Thompson hasn't posted make him scared? No!And as for being proven a fruad, Who beat me????? Ya'll talkin about man up, yet your too afraid to actually step to me, because I teach in a park?????" Runing BS about  getting jumped, stabbed or shot. I don't have to prove a thing to none of ya'll. Again, I said what I said and stand firm. Ya'll chellenged me, stop talking all this nonsense and bring the noise then we'll know what's what. I'm a grown man and don't have time to be wasting with nobodies.

Let's get something clear. I'm a martial artist and I don't need a ring. but ya'll the fighters and need a ring. LOL Now if you want to make a name for yourself,  stop talking and step up. forget the excuses. and stop sending these BS pm's. As much time as ya'll spend up here posting you could have taken that time to come see me and it don't cost 40K.The more I think about it,ya'll are too funny to take seriously.

Okay Maoshan, now I realize you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer but try and follow along. Maybe (I’m not holding my breath), I can make you see just how ridiculous you are coming off. I will attempt to show you why we all think you are a joke by listing my arguments in numbered point form (I figure that will make it easier for you to understand).

 

1. “If you talk the talk you got to walk the walk”

 

What do I mean by that? Well you have made some rather strong statements about MMA and its lack of legitimacy. Here are a few:

 

“An Eagle claw stylist of Kung Fu speciality is locks with a training goal of the grip alone being able to pulverize bone.A snake stylist who uses his fingers to strike with the power to penetrate an inch from the surface of the body. There are a lot of skills out here that still exist, but understandably these abilities are not allowed into the sports arena. The whole MMA mentality has really gotten a little out of hand. It's a sport, not true Martial arts. Martial means war. The only prize ina fight like that is being able to walk away.”

 

“Now let's look at this for real, 99% of MMA guys can't throw a proper kick (Muay Thai, Kick Boxing), Actual Hand Skills (Boxing) range from mediocre to none existant.”

 

“No MMAer would survive an encounter against the basic technique of a properly trained practitioner.”

 

“What your calling MMA fight's are nothing more than tough man fight's.”

 

“I watched Spike last night and saw a dude Heel kick this guy 3x in the head clean to no avail. 1 of my kicks ( a Heel Kick) is going to crack your skull because I train that way ."

 

Certainly you can see how these statements could be taken as inflammatory. It should also seem reasonable to you that people would want you to back up such claims. Why is it only the *40* commercial Kung Fu guys that are willing to prove their technique? You say you have nothing to prove but your posts indicate a direct contradiction to that (in other words you won’t shut up about how good you are, trying to convince us you are the real deal). As you said: “You learn to fight by fighting, not talking about it.” I couldn’t agree more. You also indicated before that you are not well off financially (I’m not making fun of you for that I’m just making a point) and could use some cash. Believe me when I tell you that the top guys in this “phony sport” make quite a bit of money (top guys in boxing make more as you indicated but we are still talking millions and the undercard MMA fighters usually make more than their boxing counterparts). If you’re about “that paper$$$$$” like your homie, Blacktaoist, then why not step up? You won’t make huge money the first couple fights but if you can put Nick Thompson away I can guarantee you will be getting more fights and bigger pay days. Then again, you stated before that you tried to get into the UFC back in the day. How much were they making back then? As I recall….nothing, yet you wanted to show the world back then and the man wouldn’t let you. Now you are content to spread your knowledge on the basketball court in Harlem.

 

“How can you say that kung fu doesn't work, when you've never seen anybody that really knew what they were doing?”

 

Think for a second about how stupid that statement is. Is it becoming clear? Of course not…..Here goes: That’s the point. WE HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY DOING KUNG FU THAT KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This homeboy, includes you. I’ve watched some of your youtube videos and wow! All I see is you hanging out in your mom’s attic, walking in circles, talking about trees chasing you, and play fighting with skinny white kids. So that’s the real Kung Fu eh? That’s "life or death, this ain’t a game, I fight to breathe, fight the way you train, no rules"? Let me ask you this: are all those kids dead? Are they in your momma’s basement? That’s what Nick Thompson can’t step to? My favourite video is the one where you’re in the living room and the kids are constantly attacking you like Cato in the Pink Panther (Quality movie by the way. Does your dog bite? No..ahhh..You said he doesn’t bite!!! It is not my dog).

 

To sum up: You talk a lot and do very little. You can say “come find me all you want” but no one here is claiming to be the death combat practitioner that you insist you are. You say no one knows the real Kung Fu and it is superior to MMA. I’m a practitioner of neither but I believe your wrong and I’m asking you to back up your claim. You choose not to which means you are full of *73*!!!

 

2. By “no rules” you don’t really mean “no rules”.     

 

 

My question to you is do you think that BJJ could handle the full technique of any style from a properly trained practitioner without all the limitations?

 

Your talking about all these rules, a great master said, "if you can't protect your head and groin you shouldn't even be in the ring

 

As for Ron Van Cleef he simply got takeled(?)

 

 

Ah…he got tackled (I assume that’s what you meant to spell unless Takeled means: his *** was handed to him)? Well *73* that’s not fair at all!! Royce didn’t even give him time to apply the monkey death grip. I take everything back. Clearly that win shouldn’t count. Royce was cheating when he submitted Clief, clearly.

 

It’s funny, I remember watching a little league game many years ago and the kid at bat started crying cause he struck out. The pitcher was throwing a curve ball or something and all the kid could get was air. He said “its not fair, I can’t even hit the ball”. That’s how I envision Maoshan after a fight with Nick Thompson (after he wakes up in the hospital that is). “It’s not fair, Thompson punched me really hard in the first minute and I couldn’t use my wing chung bagwa palm of death on him.” 

 

Thompson agreed to do the fight with no rules in a state where it is legal to do so. In fact, I’ll even bet that he’d be willing to help you out further by adding ground limitations (your version of no rules) like immediate stand up after a certain time period.

 

To sum up: You are contradicting yourself. You say MMA isn’t real fighting because there are rules but you discount the loss of Clief and others who were taken to the ground in a no rules format (save for eye gouging which obviously was allowed in the tournaments you and blacktaoist claim to be a part of. You know the ones on youtube with headgear and such? Hardcore my man, fight like we train…straight up, dis ain’t no game).

 

3. Your boys don’t seem to be as supportive as you may think or want

 

Ask any one there where the Blacktaoist is, no problem.  I'm located in Syracuse and teach at ThortonPark in the Ampitheater. It's really a small park My brother has been there for almost 20yrs in the same location. I've been teaching in Syracuse at the park for the last 8.For the last 17yrs we've been in the public view. We Like it outside. Why do we have to have a dojo for you? Our Ring is Grass and Concrete.Now I'm speaking about my brother here, He has no time to be up here BSing with this crap. Because ya'll won't admit it, But it turns out that the Iron Ring is the show ya'll love to hate. But anyway, He's spared a lot of styles over years, including MMA guys.For the most part it was friendly, So if Nick Thompson or anybody steps to him wrong, you'll get your proof on his end.

 

 

Sounds like you and N. Bell are tight. You are saying he would kick *** against any MMA fighter. Sounds as if he’d have your back and support your claim that you too can kick any MMA fighters ***. Let’s see:

 

 

First of all I never called out anyone or this Nick "The Goat" Thompson person. So get your damn facts right. Maoshan from what I hear had a problem with this guy,or the other way around, truly don't matter to me , Because I can give a fly *8*. Bottom anyone have a problem with me they know where to find me. I don't have time for the high school internet games, I am all about getting that paper$$$$ So why would I even waste my time with you fools like you on so fourm. Truly pointless. Easy to see most of you fools don't have any kind of real, or have anything going for yourself, so it just be damn pointless to even respond to you fools nonsense.. Again my name is Novell G. Bell, Not Maoshan who is Ben Bey Hill , so get your *8*ing facts right , next time you make claims that I challenge a person . I don't even be on the net much these day , got to much *73* going on in my life with film and movie stuff to be doing any kind of high school 8 year kid challenge ***. Bollom line you people truly need to grow the *8* up and do something with your free time then this high school ***. Novell Bell Bottom line get a damn real life, and for starts you may want to start with getting a JOB.

 

(response by Bell to a member of the underground forums who posted on youtube)

 

I don’t know about you guys but it seems like Mr. Bell (AKA Blacktaoist, Sifu Bell) is trying to get as far away from this situation as possible. I read it as “I didn’t do it, Ben Hill put his foot in his mouth, not me, leave me out of it.” He knows full well your *** will get handed to you and wants none of it.

 

To sum up: Your own people don’t believe in you and your master, the bagwa champion, doesn’t want any part of this. It’s like a politician distancing himself from one of his nutty radical supporters.   

 

 

4. There are only three options for you and all you’re doing now is stalling

 

Options:

 

1. Take the fight and put your skills, the ones you claim to believe in so strongly, to the test and in so doing so answer all questions.
2. Retract the ridiculous statements you made and admit what you do is not comparable to professional fighting and people like Nick Thompson and others deserve respect for having the balls to do what they do.
3. Don’t accept the challenge and try to ride out the embarrassment making excuses to yourself and others.

 

I will bet the farm the last option is what you will choose. In fact I believe you already have. You want desperately to put this behind you but you can’t because no one will let you. Each time you post you indicate at the end you have nothing to prove but you keep coming back trying to talk your way out. As Nick said actions speak louder than words. Maoshan, I don’t have to convince you that you have something to prove. You know you have something to prove to yourself. In the back of your mind you know that this is an opportunity. Should you beat a man like Nick Thompson people will take notice and you would have a new career and steady money. However, in your heart you know you can’t win and you want out. Unless you choose number 1 you will be viewed by everyone as a phony. No one will give you the easy way out of this. You should know that. Your students and everyone will know you backed down from a challenge.  

 

To sum up: Unless you accept the fight you and your discipline will be a joke. What would Master Xu Shi Xi say?

 

 

Conclusion: Everything you’ve said and done is complete and utter ***. I am 100% convinced what you practice is deception. You may be able you take on Johnny Crack Head who lives down the block but you have no chance against what I and the rest of this board feel is a true Mixed Martial Artist. You have never fought or can reference any of your Kung Fu friends defeating these people. Thus, since there is no proof and you are completely unwilling to take the opportunity put forth to you, that makes you a sham. There is no way out my friend. Proof is a bridge to far for you.

 

P.S. I, nor anyone else I know of claim to be part of Nick’s camp but he has been updating us this whole time on the underground (unlike you he has nothing to hide). No one thinks he’s running away because quite simply: He isn’t!   

Face the facts MMA is for lil *55*.  You walk around in your lil booty shorts mounting one another saying that all fights end up on the floor.  The only reason they end up on the floor is cause your all to scared to take a punch or to inexperienced to learn how to fight on your feet and deliver a true strike.  Anywho I got *73* to do so you all just keep wearing your cute lil booty shorts!!!TAP OUT BOYS!

i dont c wat the big fuwss is all about just az lon g as some one gets k o its a great fight

i am the only one who thinks nelly has the best team couch

Did anybody watch the last episode of Iron Ring? There is a scene where N. Bell is showing some of the moves he "picked up in Beijing China". The look on the fighters faces tells everything. Funny stuff.

Well it seems all hope is lost at this moment. As I, and most of us, feared Maoshan never had any intention of fighting Nick Thompson. Nick himself posted that Maoshan and his people have disappeared: "Maoshan had someone contact me and said the guy said Maoshan didn't have the money to wager but that they would try to get a promoter to pay me to fight him. I told them I doubt that would happen but best of luck. No word since. I am not holding my breath, lol."I think we have all met people like Maoshan in our lives. My question to everyone though is this: Do these people really believe the *73* they say or do they just want others to believe that they do? Does Maoshan, for instance, believe that "real Kung Fu practitioners" like himself have simply never had the opportunity to prove their discipline? Is he content to discount every Kung Fu defeat claiming the guy wasn't a real man of the art? Does he expect us to believe that a man who is "about that $$$$paper" won't step up and showcase his skills? It truly fascinates me how a guy like this rationalizes things to himself. My sense is, though I don't know it for a fact, Maoshan keeps himself going by telling himself the same BS every day. I think he feels it's not a lie if you yourself believe it. In the back of his mind though he knows the truth and knows his fantasy will be unsalvageable should he engage in a real test.