I find it strange that you link yourself to a practice that not even Jesus himself linked himself to. Keep in mind Christianity came about into existence 100 years after the death of Jesus. Since Jesus was African and since his last name was not Christ. Can you tell me what he was practicing and where did he aquire the knowledge? In fact Christ is a title which historically many was given. It means to be dipped in oil, to be anointed.

Do you have a historical clue as to where this comes from? Everything you speak of placed in your above post is linked to a African concept. You say trust in Christ. You tell my people to trust in a title or trust in the concept of a title; what the title applys to mean or convey. If you love Christ then why fight where he come from? Why fight the African Spirituallity you draw life from? 

There is no way you can have full understanding of the "Kingdom Of God" concept without embracing your great past. This truth will truly set you free. You have the power to change the course of your actions.  Why continue to wear blinder when you don't have to anymore? Come home brother so we all can move forward. If not I will not be mad at you-you will always remain to be my brother from another mother. 

Hotep,

Sun of Ra

Heaven is at the foot of Mother...  

 

The Bible is nothing more than what it is. It is a beautiful book of parables with symbolic hints of truth taken from our past. It speaks of a particular God. It is used for Governmental Assimilation for full absorption of a people. And you say you know God. This is what you offer to our people? The theory of “The Son, the Father and the Holy Spirit.” You offer two men and an entity or it can be viewed all as one. Your Christian jester does not include the most important ingredient known to man, the Black woman. She is nowhere present in your belief system and many women submit to such readings. Wow! 

 

Now if you can put religion aside and agree on facts that bring us closer together so that we can be on the same page then this may be the best offering we can make to one another. 

 

1. Will you agree that when the founding fathers of this country step foot on the shores of Africa they brought with them the book that you refer to the Bible?

 

2. Along with the bible they brought with them the rifle, sword and gin?

 

3. The very book (bible) that you hold was written in a time of extreme prejudice and the men and women that overseen the translation of it was bias?

 

4. This was all done to conquer you?

 

5. That the book glosses over an entire group of people, the African.

 

If you agree then how can you drink from the cup they have to offer? How can you trust anything they offer to you? How can you over look the very small facts that was pointed out? How can you say that you know god and you don’t know Ausar or Auset. Damn, do you know of Heru? How can you not have knowledge of what came first, to better articulate your story to your people? How can you say that you love Jesus yet you dismiss the African that he was? Talk to me brother. Talk to me and make it plain. Don’t talk in a biblical tongue.  Don’t phrase your words to sound like peter or paul just simply speak.

 

Hotep,

 

Sun of Ra

 

Heaven is at the foot of Mother…    

Asua. Heaven is the throne of God. You are doing the same thing you acuses others of doing . Creating a religon based on race and history. It seem like it is either the black man's or the white man's God. "God is a Spirit,and he who worship,must worship Him in spirit and in Truth,"John4:24. Christ is the anointed one who came to redeem the word from it's sins. The father said " this is my beloved son ,HEAR HIM. Matt17:5. I can only speak to you in spirtiual langue,because I am a christian who live by faith in the one True God. The bible says Jesus is of jewish linage,and the bible is true. The most inportant thing is that Jesus is the Savior of the world. If we get hung up on skin color, we are not no better than the racist that we are trying to differentate from. The cup that Jesus offers is to stand for your faith inspite of what is said and done by others. If you want to teach black history,that is great,but do not mislead your people into eternal death with without sharing them a message of hope. That hope is Jesus Christ our Lord and savior. Trust in Him and live.

Organic/FAM/others,

This was an excellent post that brotha AusarAmenRa so eloquently phrased. Me being an enlightened Afrikan could almost picture your response before I read it.  You might have read the brotha's post but you failed to understand, overstand, and innerstand the message and wisdom that he has tried to awaken in you.  The brotha simply asked you some very thought provoking questions, but through your "perspective" and under-standing you passed a judgment (whether you realize it or not) and decided to base your response on the color paradigm.

You say my man is creating a "religion based on history and race". I find you to be in terrible error.  He is basing his spiritual knowledge on the foundation of every major religion in the world today.  If you notice YOU NEVER SPEAK TO THIS FACT. Even though the brotha engaged you in some very thought provoking questions, which you failed to respond to and which I have already touched on above. You also stated "It seem like it is either the black man's or the white man's God." Again you are speaking from your interpratation of that mans words. This is evident from the word "SEEMS" in your statement.  This is where the term belief comes in at, because you don't understand what is being talked about.  Instead of knowing, you are only being a leif (belief) on the tree on knowledge. 

Do you realize that we have not provided you with any ancient teachings (you would call them scriptures) yet we still can facilitate the knowledge wisdom and understanding from a wholelistic point of refference. AmenAsur and myself overstand the importance of viewing the human from the inside out; as opposed to how the masses of people have been trained through Western thought which studies the human being from the outside in or just on the basis of what is manifested on the outside or the observable parts of the human being.  This trained thought process can never answer the questions of why and where human life is going until it understands the invisible plan. (The masses have not learned to appreciate the core the core of what we are, but we must and we must begin to overstand the universe as the Divine creation and see ourselves as part of that Divine drama).  This is why the science of the Afrikan has always been a religious science, not for the purpose of creating dogma, but in pursuit of knowledge about spiritual and moral laws rather than just the metaphor of their expression in the physical domain.

I will know leave you with a seed From your Afrikan Anscestors "Knowledge is like a garden: if it is not cultivated, it cannot be harvested"

1Love

Bratha,wholelistic is similar to mythology,or chicanery. Superstition is not a way to proselyte. Black history or black mythology come from fearful minds. We have a history of witchcraft,and other superstitions,and none these religion promises eternal life. .Knowledge and wisdom comes from God. if you renounce the Son of God,there are no other path to commune with God. Sorcery will not get you into the kingdom of God. ASus word seems wise,but they are empty without knowledge of God through Christ. God only plan is through His Son Jesus Christ. it is damnation to those who do not belived. John3:17-18.

Organic,

Ignorance Begets Ignorance. I can not be mad at you for what you do not know. You Grossly mistated "wholelistic is similar to mythology,or chicanery. Superstition is not a way to proselyte."  Forunately for the readers I will be able to paint a beutiful picture for them based on your opinions.

Being Wholelistic is a way of life, it is a way of thinking. It is a way of connecting everything in your life, every experience in your life to something, because nothing is a thing in itself (Thats another lesson). Now I could ask ever reader if they would embrace a linear thought process (Developed by their Oppressor) given that they are dominated by a logical thought process. (Unfortunately you have not learned the Law of Polarities- But I will help you real quick ---What is the opposite of Wholelistic???? Linear)Or would they rather engage in a wholeistic thought process which solicites understanding and the deeper meaning behind everything in existence. The Unseen. That which you think you cannot explain. I dont even belive I need to ask the question.  However let me give further analysis to validate my position, which essentially is the same position that YOUR Afrikan anscestors embraced and knew intamately. You can either embrace a 180 degree line of thought or you can embrace a 360 degree line of thought. 1 will afford you the opportunity to live a life according to the divine essence that lives within all of us.  If you understood that you had the manifestations of creation inside you would you still do some of the things you do. I belive you call it sin (Lack of divine wisdom). But you have the choice to indulge in LINEAR lifestyle, thought, religion, diet, and way of life. But don't try and put myself or Our Anscestors in a box an disrepect their knowledge, Wisdom, and Understanding by equating Wholistic perspective to mere superstition.

I choose to end my post with a quote from you so that the readers can overstand, innerstand, understand the level of programming we are up against. "Black history or black mythology come from fearful minds" NUFF SAID...Think about it...

1love

 

Bratha. " trust in the lord with all your heart, soul,and mind,and lean not unto YOUR understanding,but in all your ways  He will direct your path". History  without Christ,begets damnation. We must come out of the dark ages,and come into the light of Christ. 

Greetings gentlemen, There's truly no need to be divided, please put down your weapons, know this first and foremost...The GOD organic one is speaking to you about, has a name and the revealing of him can't be made known to any of you through articulated responses towards eachothers arguments. The only true way to know him is through his power. A power that was made known by the one whom we preach about. Even he personally said to those who discredited the words he preached, that if they had trouble accepting them, by know means should they reject the works he did which is done by the power of GOD. _____________________________________ _____________________________________ Here's another little tad bit of info to consider, Peter who watched him perform miracles whom also walked with him in that day was asked by him “Peter, who am I? Peter stated: "you are the Son of GOD, Now this is the same person we preach about today and he was right their with Peter in the flesh. And he stated "Flesh and Blood did not reveal this to you." Of all the people to make the claim of being able to explain it and have it accepted as far as we as believers are concerned, it would have been him. Yet he him self even stated that words from flesh can't open your inner eyes to what the All powerful is doing. Naw sir.... to precious... Too precious of a thing for us to handle. ____________________________________ ____________________________________ As it's said in the same book “to him be the GLORY" because he’s got this!!!! You know what it also say's in that book (HOLY BIBLE) that many these day’s hate to make reference too" Let GOD be found true and every man a liar" Can you see why it says that? Your very existence is at stake. Now gentlemen if that is truly the case, you should never want any man or women as your eternal overseer, no matter how sweet and intense their educational incites may be.

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The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.

FAM/Merciful,

I appreciate your sentiments. However Im not sure if you know this or not, but my inent at this point is to only reach common ground.  Do you know what it was that your Afrikan anscestors were practicing spritualy before they were brought to the shores of this Western Land? My point is that the same religion you practice was in existence thousands of years before the Europeon man wrote it, binded it and sold soft copies of it for profit. 

Religious doctrines, and systems cannot be understood in a vacum.  They cannot be seperated from the social enviroment that produced them.  The various components of the religious system of each nation are for example, ritual vehicles to condition the population to support, or reject particulars of interest or detriment to the nation.  The ritual system of your/my Anscestors will always remain a mystery to people who have no understanding of  OURstory as opposed to HISstory (history).

The White nations who became the heirs of these civilizations understood only the external aspects (linear thinking(external)-ever wanted to know why many Europeons can't hear the third note in music. Remeber everythings is connected.)and distorted the spiritual (holistic-internal).  What passes for the world's major religions are attempts of the linear thinkers to practice what can only be done by holelistic people (Afrikans are right brain dominated people.  You see the vision must be holistic.  It must take into account physical/material realities, mental/social realities, and spiritual/moral realities.  Such holistic thinking is difficult for people deeply entrenched in the Western approach to aKnowledge,primarily an analytic system which prides itself in its ability to break things down, compartmentalize them, and gain mastery through focus on fragments.  Western specialization is both its greatest strength and its greatest flaw.  The fact that they have social scientist with no spiritual consciousness has produced a breed of morally retarded manipulators of human life.  The fact that their medical personnel are experts on the body has made them inadequate healers because of their failure to take into account the interaction of the mind and soul in the process of dis-ease as well as healing.  Can you imagine where chemistry(Khem-Land of the black) would be today if it were in the hands of poets?  Each element would no longer be a complex of exact weight, and electrical behavior, but, "grey clouds," or "wolves," according to the poet's mood.  This is what the sons of Eurasia have done to the science of religion (science-to know).  The result is that, with the destruction of the ancient Black founders of civilization some 4000-2000 years ago, the world has been plunged into a spiritual dark age, and is sinking ever into that jaw whose fiery tongue flickers with death.

The solution to our problem is the restitution of the science of life that actually gave birth to civilization. The only way that this can be done is by correlating the spiritual doctrines, and religious practices of the founding civilizations with those of the Black civilizations today.  This is of extreme importance for the simple fact that most students of spiritual culture and esotericism have recieved there education from western organizations (Rosicrucians, Aryan Hindus, Semetic and Europeon Kabalists, etc.) who have falesly claimed that they are the custodians of the wisdom of the ancients.  After doing research and or asking questions directly you can decide if this is True.  Last, but not least we will come to understand that religion cannot save mankind unless it is allowed to govern all social institutions.  All such teachings regarding the lone sage, and individual salvation will be seen to be, on one hand, natural conceptions of the left brain (linear) side of the brain with its isolationist thinking, and on the other, to be impotent as far as being vehicles for the spiritual upliftment of the world.  In your research/study you see that when the White nations adopted the religious institutions of the Blacks they allowed only  those doctrines that did not interfere, for the most part, with their cherished social beliefs, whether these were right or wrong.  In fact many of the religious myths, and doctrines have their origin in the political competition that arose out of their contacts with Blacks.  The extreme manner in which women were humiliated (made the source for all mankind's suffering, the heavily lopsided adultry laws against them, etc.) in semetic Asia 4000 years ago, for example was cheifly due to the fact that the occupation of very high positions of the Black women of canaan, Sumer, Phonecia, Kemet, ect., was a serious challenge to the patriarchal system of whites, as it filled the heads of their women with another view of social possibilities.  In those day white people of Mesopotamia were under the cultural, if not political, domination of Black.

The Great teacher and scholar Dr. John Henrik Clark said "We conqured Greece and rome spiritualy and they conqured us Militarily."  They realized that their people were under the spiritual influence of a Superior Black race so they changed the religious nature to what we now know today, because they saw the power in religion that could be used to control whole populations so they took the attention off the Black spiritual system and labled it with all types of mistruths. (Its all history(Ourstory), just follow very simple time lines and read what was said from the people of that time regarding the indigenous people of the land Kemet-Khush-Nubia,etc.).

1love4life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus said"I am the way ,the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father,except by Me. John14:6. We have common grounds- it's black history. When it come to eternal life,Christ is the ONLY way. Partialty of certan races is not of God. The word of God supercedes any race factions. The greater evil is rejecting Jesus as Lord and Savior of the world. History is good to know but it holds no eternal value,unless it is biblical history.

Fam,

I must say I am coming to a point of digresssion, because the same points have been belabored at this moment and this post is becoming rather redundant given the mental/spiritual scope of the respondants.

As usual we have a learning lesson from the previous poster "History is good to know but it holds no eternal value,unless it is biblical history." --We have a complete ignorance of the Ancient Blacks who we love to ERASE out of history and our minds because we never knew about them and our training as opposed to education (to bring out of or up out of) demands that we do so. Our modern day negros have no inkling of their anscestors story and rely exclusively on biblical history that doesn't have 1 date in the whole entire book that can be traced? Now on the other hand you have your relatives who we can date back past 10,500 BCE(Fact) but remeber we are trained to believe what was given to us civilized us because we never created anything and we lived in sin.  Get over that, we never lived in any sort of so called sin, sin is only lack of divine wisdom; So in other words this sin concept initself represents another people, known as Invaders, but you know them as the authors of your Holy scriptures. You dont even have concepts of rape, murder, and incest, ect. until you have the invasion of the Hyksos, Greeks, then the Romans who by the way authored the bible.

1love

Ease up on the brother Mr. C, in your eye's this brother probably will never meet the challange of whooping BET's undisputed light heavy weight champ's of negrotology, but his heart is definetly moving in the right place. An effective teacher know's when to adapt; I have to admit bra you're coming out swinging level 15 analogies that may or may not be true. And the sampling of case studies you present are off the charts for the avid layman. ____________________________________ ____________________________________ Keep this in mind as you do your mind boggeling dances, not all "bodies of thought" have first hand experience attached to them, There's a lot of therory, there's a lot of speculative pomp and there's definately a pound of dogmashat lying around scientific persuasion. This is why I said earlier that miraculous power must accompany your sermon or teachings. You may want to try wrapping your words in a more modest presentation. Personally I feel you'll go a lot further with reaching your brothers who fail to see the connection with our plight and GOD's promises. There's a few words I was given four years ago that I iniatially put on these BET boards. I'd like to share them with you and a few of the other folks on BET if you dont mind. ____________________________________ ____________________________________ Before doing so I need to petition BET and see if i can get them to take me off punishment and restore my posting capabilities. So I won't have to do my double spacing with two lines. And maybe add a little color every now and then. I hope they don't take long to make the adjustment. Until then Peace.

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The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.

Bratha. Mark16;15-18. "Go in to all the world ane preach the gospel to all mankind. He who believes and has been baptized will be Saved. He who does not believe will be condemned. Proverb 3:5-6. ' Trust in the Lord with all your heart,and lean no on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him,and he will direct your path. Jesus is the light of the world. Come out of darkness and into His wonderful light.

FAM,

Let me breifly paint a picture for you.  This example should convey my point in a conducive manner.

Its said that if you put fleas in a jar with the lid off, they will jump out of the jar every time. But once you put the lid on the jar the flees will hit the top of the jar initially.  After a few attempts the fleas realize that their is a ceiling which limits their potential.  One can now remove the top of the jar, However the flees will not attempt to jump out of the jar, they will only go as high as the top which they assume to be there.  When you add a uncondtioned flee into the jar and it jumps out of the jar, the rest of the conditioned flees will now attempt to follow the lone flee.

For those that did not catch it the modern day negro are those flees unfortunately and they dont have an inkling of the Truth, they are only able to repeat(training) and succomb to their uncontrolled appetites, while constantly validating their existence from the perspective of a foreign people.

1love4life!!!

Bratha. Jesus said" I am the Good Shepard,and my sheeps knows my voice. The hireline will try to mislead the sheeps. Jesus is the only Light of the world. Everything else leads into darkness. Black history is good to know,but your eternal state is depending on your faith in Christ. Fleas,like roaches,run from the Light. Yes I am a foreigner myself. My kingdom is from above. By faith in the Living Christ ,I am now translated into His kingdom. The flea you are following might be the one you should advoiding. Trust in Christ and Live. the truth will set you free from superstitution.