Chris Rock may had said it best, "Whoever you hate will end up in your family. If you're homophobic, you're gonna have a gay son."

Does the black church stigmatize gay people and drive them into secrecy?

Are gay rights, civil rights?

Based on the book I read 'On The Down Low' by JL King, apparently they're alot of hyporcrites in the black church. The same ones who preach against and condemn homosexuality, are the same ones that are likely sleepin' with the deacon or usher.

I can see this post blowin' up already!

That's so true..just reminded me of this preacher in Dallas kept condeming child molesters, but a couple of months later, he got caught rapin' a child...doesn't make sense to me either, and it also reminded me of that Mark Foley incident where he was stating about Dateline: How to Catch a Predator was a good source of catching sexual predators, and he was one of them...lol that ish doesn't make sense to me at all and it's so contradictory..

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Now you know that is so true. What about being on the Down Low. I hear that black women talk about brother's that are on the DL but when it comes to women, gay women can they also be considered being on the Down Low? If so then why is it only the black men that gets blown up about being on the DL?

 Mzsexycoco30 wrote:

Based on the book I read 'On The Down Low' by JL King, apparently they're alot of hyporcrites in the black church. The same ones who preach against and condemn homosexuality, are the same ones that are likely sleepin' with the deacon or usher.

I can see this post blowin' up already!

Mzsexycooco30 HITTIN THE NAIL ON THE HEAD....CAN I GET AN AMEN UP IN HERE!!!  However, it just goes to show that Christianity does not make you perfect, nor has it every made anyone perfect, therefore if a minister who is an adulter or drug user or divorcee or child abuser can bring folk to God, surely the word of God can come through a gay or down-low human being too.  God uses who He choses to use, and if you have a problem with the imperfect nature of EVERY human being, and choose not to hear the word from someone because of the boundaries YOU have place on an infinate abilitied God, then you've got some more spiritual growing to do in order to prevent evil from blocking your blessings...cause evil things, bad circumstances, sinful people ain't going nowhere till God comes back to claim his own. Coal is not the most plesant thing visually, but from it comes a diamond.  You never know where or in what form or amongst what sin God will show up in.  He can do it like that.

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Well, most of the churches I've been to didn't address homosexuality at all for fear of "stigmatizing" gay people. But that is wrong. A church is supposed to be a House of God, not a feel-good convention where sin is never addressed and the need for repentance is never introduced. The church should be a place where ALL of God's word is preached. If teaching and spreading the truth about homosexuality drives homosexuals into secrecy, there is nothing the church can do about that. And most of the rights that so many gay people seek are not civil rights, but special rights.

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MAN,ITS DEFINITELY A LOT OF,WELL I DONT KNOW ABOUT ALL CHURCHES BUT AT THE CHURCH MY MOTHER USED TO GO,IT WAS SO MANY HOMMOS...I MEAN,FROM THE MUSIC DIRECTOR TO THE MEN IN THE CHOIR...AND NOW THAT I'M OLDER THEY M'F'S WAS SOME HYPOCRITES...HOW YOU GONE BE IN THE CHURCH AND ALL INVOLVED AND BE GAY???...I DONT UNDERSTAND THAT SCHITT ONE BIT...

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The church is not an athiest sect nor a godless sect. The church represents God, which means its expected to teach the laws of God. So the church has no choice but to preach God's law. If homosexuals and lesbians feel stigmatized as a result of this, then so be it. The church is not supposed to be supportive of sinful behavior for the sake of not hurting someones feelings. If this drives them into secrecy; so be it. They still cant hide from God. If I teach and warn my son not to steal, or if I reprimand and embarrass him in front of his friends as I retrieve him from the store that he stole from; am I supposed to now tell him its ok to steal, just so I can make him feel less stigmatized? I think not. If my son then decided to drive himself into secrecy; so be it. He still wouldn't be able to hide from God. I wouldn't feel any remorse for having reprimanded and warned him about the sin he committed. Gay rights are not civil rights, they are human rights. The church doesn't hate homosexuals and lesbians, but the church has to follow God's law and condemn their behavior.

 Mzsexycoco30 wrote:

Based on the book I read 'On The Down Low' by JL King, apparently they're alot of hyporcrites in the black church. The same ones who preach against and condemn homosexuality, are the same ones that are likely sleepin' with the deacon or usher.

I can see this post blowin' up already!

A post about church and homophobes? You know i'm going to blow it up.

You're right though. The church is the breeding ground of hypocritical self-deceit.. There should be a sign in front of every church that says "Do as we say, not as we do."

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In this day and age, the church is a breeding ground for hypocrities and shameful lifestyles. I don't believe the church is a place of worship or faith or true christians. Maybe a place to show off and criticize other people for their worldy behavior.

The last time I went to a so-called "Black" church I was astonished at the actions of people. Now, I don't know about yall but the "holy ghost" is a little scary especially when people are jumnping over chairs, running down the aisle and passing out. Then there is the "holy water" that can cure all your ailments. Now where did that preposterous idea come from? Churches today are laughable at best and disgraceful at worst.

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 tibbsd wrote:Now you know that is so true. What about being on the Down Low. I hear that black women talk about brother's that are on the DL but when it comes to women, gay women can they also be considered being on the Down Low? If so then why is it only the black men that gets blown up about being on the DL?

We don't make a big deal about women being on the downlow because they are seen as victims of pathology or society. When it is found out that a woman is gay, we take on the attitude of  "Oh that poor thing". However when men do it, it's seen as "That dirty, lying ***".

There was a recent episode of Oprah that proved exactly that. Her episode on men on the downlow was clearly biased while her episode on women on the downlow was about taking pity on the women.

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 cameroncrazee wrote:Well, most of the churches I've been to didn't address homosexuality at all for fear of "stigmatizing" gay people. But that is wrong. A church is supposed to be a House of God, not a feel-good convention where sin is never addressed and the need for repentance is never introduced. The church should be a place where ALL of God's word is preached. If teaching and spreading the truth about homosexuality drives homosexuals into secrecy, there is nothing the church can do about that. And most of the rights that so many gay people seek are not civil rights, but special rights.

Gay people don't seek special rights. They just want the same rights as anyone else.

But even if they were seeking special rights, black people are in no position to deny them those special rights. Not when blacks are afforded special rights like Affirmative Action, the banning of the N-word in New York, etc.

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 cameroncrazee wrote:Well, most of the churches I've been to didn't address homosexuality at all for fear of "stigmatizing" gay people. But that is wrong. A church is supposed to be a House of God, not a feel-good convention where sin is never addressed and the need for repentance is never introduced. The church should be a place where ALL of God's word is preached. If teaching and spreading the truth about homosexuality drives homosexuals into secrecy, there is nothing the church can do about that. And most of the rights that so many gay people seek are not civil rights, but special rights.

Gay people don't seek special rights. They just want the same rights as anyone else.

But even if they were seeking special rights, black people are in no position to deny them those special rights. Not when blacks are afforded special rights like Affirmative Action, the banning of the N-word in New York, etc.

I agree

I don't know bout where you from but there are a few churches I've been to that has openly GAY memebers!  There is one church here just for the gays.  I think todays church is afraid of losing members instead of speaking the word.

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the laws of God are clear on homosexuality.  it's a sin.  should the church be preaching that?  yes.  should the church preach redemption for that like it does for other sins?  of course.  but church isn't a place where sinners should feel good about what they're doing. i'm not homophobic (to stop anybody from trying to throw that out there), but u can't argue with the Creator.  even from a scientific standpoint, it's unnatural.  after all, the species can't survive from homosexual sex--it doesn't produce any offspring.  gays do deserve equal treatment under the law but that doesn't mean society should accept it as okay...

and for the person who said  the word of God can be delivered by someone on the down-low, that's a ridiculous statement.  someone on the down-low is LYING about their lifestyle--to their friends, families (including girlfriends, wives and children) and to themselves.  a person with that much dishonesty has no business preaching the word of God.