With everything pointing to the truth that what was written thousands of years ago inspired by God, is what works to heal sin sick souls, deliver addicts, heal marriages, and regulate minds. Why do ones still want to try everything but God?

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Because god is not real. That's why.

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 AztecRed wrote:Because god is not real. That's why.

 

Prove it!,

 I believe by faith HE is, with what can you disprove HIM ? logic? he is not logical, by those things that are amongst us naturally? HE is not natural but supernatural.

Your disbelief must be very confusing for you? what are you? what sex are you? what planet do you live on?

all these things have their essence in the Word of God, inspired into men, so when you say HE is not real

What in this world can you base that on?

 

 

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You just proved it for me. You said you have faith that god is real, instead proof. That is what the non-existence of god is based on: The non-existence of proof.

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 AztecRed wrote:You just proved it for me. You said you have faith that god is real, instead proof. That is what the non-existence of god is based on: The non-existence of proof.

Nope, won't work with this one, that double talk is old rhetoric.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen

Evidence not seen does not mean it doesn't exist,  Those of us with  spiritual eyes, wake up eachday seeing the proof of God when the sun comes up,

YOU, yourself get up endowed with faith unexpressed that the sun will come up, or you wouldn't get up,

 and you want to make me believe that you have no faith in a divine God?

that sounds like a squirrel trying to get nut.

 

 

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Even if you redefine faith to mean "substance of things hoped for", it's still not proof of the existence of gods. I can hope for a purple unicorn. But that doesn't make purple unicorns real.

There are no such things as "spiritual eyes" just as there is no proof of purple unicorns, easter bunnies, or hobgoblins. If these things were real, people could produce proof. Until they have proof, they are nothing more than theories. Ridiculous theories at that.

I don't need faith to know that the sun is going to come up. I know the sun is real. I know it's going to come up as long as the earth is spinning. We have proof that the sun is real. We feel it's heat, see it's light, know it's size, etc. And if the sun doesn't come up, we know where to find it. That's why I think sun worshippers are smarter than god worshippers. Anyone who thinks you need faith in a sunrise is a simple minded fool, which is par for the course for grown adults who believes in gods, easter bunnies, santa claus, or anything else that is purely the product of the imagination.

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 AztecRed wrote:

Even if you redefine faith to mean "substance of things hoped for", it's still not proof of the existence of gods. I can hope for a purple unicorn. But that doesn't make purple unicorns real.

There are no such things as "spiritual eyes" just as there is no proof of purple unicorns, easter bunnies, or hobgoblins. If these things were real, people could produce proof. Until they have proof, they are nothing more than theories. Ridiculous theories at that.

I don't need faith to know that the sun is going to come up. I know the sun is real. I know it's going to come up as long as the earth is spinning. We have proof that the sun is real. We feel it's heat, see it's light, know it's size, etc. That's why I think sun worshippers are smarter than god worshippers. Anyone who thinks you need faith in a sunrise is a simple minded fool, which is par for the course for grown adults who believes in gods, easter bunnies, santa claus, or anything else that is purely the product of the imagination.

There is a very simple fact of science, for anything to exist there must be the factor that there was a creator, since it is obvious that YOU did not create the sun, moon, stars, WHO Did?

For there to be a big bang, there had to be creations to bang. Now to me you have a lot of faith to believe that all of this happen out of nothing?

Be for REAL! I could take you more seriously if you said aliens did it, and then I would still ask WHO created them?

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Everything that has a creator bears the name of it's creator. Whether it's a car, watch, television, or even something as small as a pill, they all have a mark on them signifying which creator created them. I have yet to find a "made by a god" stamp on a rock, tree, or animal.

And who said I believe in the big bang? The big bang is a theory, much like god. Anyone who believes in any kind of theory as if it were a fact is a fool. It doesn't matter whether it's a religious theory or a scientific theory,.

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Aztec, let me hear your version of how we came to be, let's address from that viewpoint, so I won't lose you

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 fugett wrote:Aztec, let me hear your version of how we came to be, let's address from that viewpoint, so I won't lose you

That's the cool thing. I don't know! I don't know how we came to be. That's one thing so many religious people can't admit. They look in a book, read some hearsay, and think they "know". They've done nothing but enthrone a holy lie.

I also know that santa, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, goblins, devils, and  other assorted pieces of mythology are not real. Why are they not real? Because they are the products of human imagination. Gods are also the products of human imagination. It doesn't matter which god it is. It could be Ra, Zeus, Thor, Jehovah, Yaotzin, or the Flying Spaghetti monster. There are as many gods throughout history as there are people and not a single one has been proven.

 

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 fugett wrote:Aztec, let me hear your version of how we came to be, let's address from that viewpoint, so I won't lose you

Aztec Wrote  That's the cool thing. I don't know! I don't know how we came to be. That's one thing so many religious people can't admit. They look in a book, read some hearsay, and think they "know". They've done nothing but enthrone a holy lie.

I also know that santa, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, goblins, devils, and  other assorted pieces of mythology are not real. Why are they not real? Because they are the products of human imagination. Gods are also the products of human imagination. It doesn't matter which god it is. It could be Ra, Zeus, Thor, Jehovah, Yaotzin, or the Flying Spaghetti monster. There are as many gods throughout history as there are people and not a single one has been proven.

Fugett The things we do agree on is that santa and the others you mentioned are not real, there depictions come from false idols and pagan religions.

Actually you are the easiest of individuals to accept God, nothing I suppose is influencing your mind, you are open.

I can give you me! I know God exists because I talk to him, Oh yes! you can talk to God and HE will talk to you. There were situations in my life that without shadow of a doubt I know God worked it out. I have to go!

I'll be back 

 

 

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How would you expect me to react if you said, "I know Santa exist because talk to him"? I'd react in the same way if you replaced god with Santa, Zeus, the easter bunny, or any of those other false idols and pagan leftovers?

Why? Because christianity, judaism, islam, and all the other "desert religions" are nothing more than a mix of concepts from the very pagan religions they replaced. Human sacrifice, the raising of dead messiahs, prayer, etc can be found in nearly all pre-Abraham religions.

Even the story of Moses consist of plagiarism. Moses' beginnings were much like that of Sargon of Akkad:

"My mother was a high priestess, my father I knew not. The brothers of my father loved the hills. My city is Azupiranu, which is situated on the banks of the Euphrates. My high priestess mother conceived me, in secret she bore me. She set me in a basket of rushes, with bitumen she sealed my lid. She cast me into the river which rose over me. The river bore me up and carried me to Akki, the drawer of water. Akki, the drawer of water, took me as his son and reared me. Akki, the drawer of water, appointed me as his gardener."

http://history-world.org/sargon_the_great.htm

http://www.krysstal.com/biography_sargon.html

http://www.publicbookshelf.com/public_html/The_Story_of_the_Greatest_Nations_and_the_Worlds_Famous_Events_Vol_1/biography_hg.html

 

Moses received the commandments from god from atop a mountain, just like the mythical character Minos of Crete did, when he ascended Mt. Ditka and received the sacred laws from Zeus.

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Quite frankly Aztec, if you told me any of those false gods talked to you, I would not be surprised. My belief is that they are depictions or remants of  FALSE gods not that they are not real. For if I believe in my God, I have to believe that evil exists in many forms as well, because HIS inspired word says so.

Of course the stories are going to be similar in each culture, because truth is truth, and each culture will tell it from their perspective, just as disciples in the bible tell different accounts of Jesus' birth and crucifixation.

We will not discuss the bible because that is irrelevant at this point in your progression. Tell me what, if you please, is divine in your life? what or who do you have faith in, and thank you for the conservation, your mentality is quite interesting to me.

 

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Fugett,

Interesting conversation. Not to discourage you in anyway because you seem intellgent. This has been discused in deatil if you have taken the time to view the threads leading up to the current ones.

I seek to find middle ground with all relgions because i understand there origin. Which always comes back to the same source. However if you can come to peice with this, and you are able to understand the deeper meanings behind what you embrace, then we have found common ground that fast.

1Love4life!!!

Thank you! No I didn't research the other threads, my bad, being new I was just appreciative of the conversation with Aztec. That's my calling! to those that are lost, thanks Bro.

Well check the others out

 

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